"Bits power" (without the space) is censored

[faster3200]

I too would like a more detailed explanation as to why Vincent was banned and all this became an issue.

Based on what admins have said it seems like Vincent did something to upset them and it is some how related to RRR.
I will start to worry when there is no explanation and Mountain Mods and Sidewinders are censored.

[karbonkid]

Then it started to look like he was VERY strongly pushing XXXXXXXXXXX Computers as a place to buy from but again, no issue at first, but it went on and on and on.
I finally said to him what I was seeing and if that wasn't the case maybe he should back off a little and he did, for a short time.
Then I got wind of a scheme that he was trying to get others into. To promote said company's products on the forum in return for parts,etc.
Then I was sent a word doc that he'd sent to one of the members about this with the plan to call the company Newco with him as CEO and others named as partners and CFO. The others were two companies that both have accounts here. I read this as shilling.

Is Gary somehow being implicated in this I'm not meaning to step on any toes, but personally I find this very hard to believe.

I've had a chance to read through his posting history over there and I don't see anything unusual.

Unlike me, Saaya, and some of the other more "casual" company-affiliated people around here, Vincent is all business both on this site and on RRR.

Every one of his posts is an ETA, a new product, or a direct response to a question about him or his company's products.

Like I've said though, I MUST not know the whole story about Vincent, but even if it's something he personally did, I feel that blocking the name of the company he works for is like killing a mosquito with a nuclear warhead.


EDIT: Got Vincent on MSN right now and he seems as confused as I am as to why he's been banned. He's been a very positive contributor around here for a long time and you guys OWE him an explanation at the very least...

If Vincent in some way did something to upset XS (and I don't know if he did) then by all means he should be banned. But censoring his products' names? That's just silly. If this carries on, XS is just going to be regarded as the 'extreme overclocking site' where no-one can post an AMD stepping, the name of a petroleum company, model numbers for g.skill memory, etc.

For me, this event has done more to tarnish the reputation of XS than anything else. Maybe I'm wrong and maybe what's been done is justified. But if it is, why have poeple had to start a thread asking for an explanation? Why has the person responsible for the blocking the names not started a thread, straight away, saying what has gone on, why it will not be tolerated, and what reasonable action has been taken as a result?

If Vincent's wrongdoing is purely a personal one, then, IMHO, this is completely unjustified. If B*P as a company has done something to damage customers or another company, then even more reason for potential customers (ie. XS members) to be given a fair warning as to what is going on.

[fart_plume]

Just a reminder Cross Forum bashing IS a ban-able offense. As some already know I recently quit a job because of the behavior of the workers there, this is no different. Why should anyone have to put up with people who are unprofessional, hateful, and do nothing but attack others? To me this is just the sign of low class thugs.

[[XC] riptide]

members who didnt "cross forum bashed" got banned

Thats not true. There's now yet another post on RRR showing the desire to hack XS

The "Suprise Show" section is gone. Thats where the hate was. Was removed very quickly yesterday... but was too late Theres nicky.82uk saying "shame we dont have any hackers to there site up for a few weeks even month or years i dont mine "

[Silverion77]

Any hate from the other day was just a lot of steam

U do recall that around 10 ppl woke up with a ban from XS. There wasnt exactly love going through the website lol
The hack thing was because recently the website was hacked and around 3 days of data was lost. Im not insinuating it was XS, but i wouldnt be surprised the person knew about computer hardware forums...

[Silverion77]

^exactly...

and if a admin can please contact me , maybe MM if you can?

[loonym]

they might not owe ANYONE any explanations of anything they do, but dont you think it would be nice to know whats going on,

No

No or do you just think "well... guess thats how it is, and i must follow and obay"

No again. It's a privately owned forum and the owner and admins do as they like. If anything ever bothers me enough about they way it operates I'm free to go elsewhere. I don't follow or obey anything.

if you do something for a reason, then there is absolutely no point in having the members guessing for the reason.

If I do something for a reason, it's my reason and I owe nobody anything.

BTW, what's a bits power?


edit: I almost forgot. Speaking of being bothered, Charles, please take it easy with those wildcards when you do IP bans ok?

[Ashraf]

BTW, what's a bits power?

It is the name of the company that makes bling barb fittings.

[Silverion77]

^
Yea, they make the most popular fittings for water cooling setups...

[sirheck]

Really? I thought it was those new Ti drill bits

[loonym]

It is the name of the company that makes bling barb fittings.

I know.

[Utnorris]

Maybe I missed something when I read the explanations, but didn't the other forum promote posting a :banana::banana::banana::banana: pic here and couple of it's members did just that? Didn't one of it's mods not only promoted a DDOS attack on XS but also gave instructions on how to do it? I am pretty sure both are against the law.

I get the whole "B*P" part since it scews up posts and it's just a product a lot of us use and I don't think that should have been censored, but as far as Vincent goes, I don't know the facts about that, but I do know him and Joel are close, I mean Joel brags about it and how he went to Taiwan for a show with them, so I know they are connected more than just advertising.

As far as people getting banned, this isn't an equal opportunity site, if you post detrimental statements on that specific site too encourage bad behavior, why would you care if you got banned from here? Does it really matter to you if you already don't like this site that you get banned from it? I have been banned from that site and all I did was disagree with Joel, so what does that say about their tactics? I have been called out by many of their members because of my various posts including my support for the Typhoon 3. Since I like it and it works for me I am somehow promoting it with false information. If Joel wanted to build that site to promote water cooling and the best practices, he wouldn't need to create 11 threads on why XS is screwed up. I doubt the guys over at overclock.net and hardforum.com agree with everything that is posted on XS, but they don't have dedicated threads for it and they don't promote attacks on this site.

[Eddie3dfx]

Joel is a racist-antisemetic loser who spews hate everywhere he goes.
I was proudly enough to the be the first banned member of his site

The ultimate hypocrisy is where an individual complains about freedom of speech, but will get mad and troll your threads if your opinion differs from him.

Again, the individual has never actually built a watercooling system.
It's only the weak that follow this moron..

I really like Gary from sidewinders, so I'm hoping he has enough common sense to remove his affiliation from Joel's site.

[[XC] gomeler]

I move to reinstate bits power into the XS dictionary along with the word kcuf spelled backwards. Both have great usages like " this brouhaha"

[Praz]

I get the whole "B*P" part since it scews up posts and it's just a product a lot of us use and I don't think that should have been censored, but as far as Vincent goes, I don't know the facts about that, but I do know him and Joel are close, I mean Joel brags about it and how he went to Taiwan for a show with them, so I know they are connected more than just advertising.

Censoring B*P and its derivatives of it hopefully will receive reconsideration. Will be a real pain in the butt not only for members of the forum posting but for those that are reading the posts also.

I'm sure there is more to Vincent's involvement then what we know. But don't condemn him because of what Joel "brags" about. This comes from first-hand knowledge. I know a review site owner that is nothing more then a liar and a thief. He openly brags about his input on product design (motherboards and other components). The truth is he has no input at all.

When he first started the site he stole advertising banners from other sites to make it look like he had manufacturer sponsorship. Heck, if you click on one of the banners it took you back to the site it was copied from.

When his forum was first set up there was at least two manufacturer specific subsections where he claimed he was the official support for that part of the world. The sections were removed when the manufacturers were alerted to this.

It's unbelievable what an unbalanced person will say or write. So I guess what I'm try to say don't automatically see one person as guilty just because of some type of association with another.

[rjkoneill]

it all seems a little petty tbh

the guy on the other site obviously has a few issues

let him rant on the internet

as for removing b p, whatever - its not like its intel or anything

[stangracin3]

he has opened that thread back up and i have pictures of which i will send to his sponsors.

[Ashraf]

I did not agree with the decision of banning and censoring the vendor names; however, it was made or agreed by the head of this site. Fine. As long as it is his site. As for the banned members, I know there is still a lack of information on this. I am just like you and everyone expecting some explanation, but I can assure you there is a good reason to do so. If not, Charles would never accept it.

Censoring the vendor names does kill me in the Liquid Cooling section, but whatever. I will get moving on.

[PeterStoba]

Again, the individual has never actually built a watercooling system.

LMFAO! Judging by the way he spoke on his site, I'd guess he had built thousands...

[loonym]

you dont get anything of what i am refering to are you?

Perhaps it's you who doesn't get it? It's not my site or yours. Nobody owes either of us anything including explanations or justifications.

you basicly just stated that you are perfectly fine with having decisions made over your head, without no reason given. and thats perfectly fine with me. you follow the flow, and thats your choice.

That's just it, I'm not following anything. I can choose to participate or not and read or not. Any decisions made here are at the discretion of the owner and anytime I don't like something I can choose to not patronize the site. It's all quite simple really.

if you do something for a reason, i dont think people could care less. but this is the owner of a major site we are talking about... not you

Doesn't matter what a decision is or who made it, the principle is the same. : rolleyes : back at you

i still need clearence on the thing. i heard one side of the story from rrr, now i just need the second half from the XS staff.

I find your perceived need quite amusing but I think you might want to take a look at your idea of 'need'. It doesn't seem healthy.

let me give an excample

"the word f#ck, has now been banned. the reason for this, is that we find it offensive, and beacuse minors visits the site"
not so hard eh?

Although you are speculating, you are probably right. But once again the reason is not important or relevant. It just is.

this matter is a bit more complicated though. so might need a longer explenation

It's only seems complicated to you because you are making it that way. As I said it's quite simple. And again you may want to reevaluate what needs really are.

only dead fish goes with the flow

I am quite fortunate that I'm an individual then and don't go with anything.

[sirheck]

LMFAO! Judging by the way he spoke on his site, I'd guess he had built thousands...

Yeah, i have never seen one. Just a lot of components to build one.

I think he has a few MM side panels and 9 or 10 TC radiators, some
bits power barbs, doesnt have a clue and a lot of hate.

[stangracin3]

Yeah, i have never seen one. Just a lot of components to build one.

I think he has a few MM side panels and 9 or 10 TC radiators, some
bits power barbs, doesnt have a clue and a lot of hate.

ive seen everything mounted on the motherboard. just no tubing or water ever.

[p2501]

Wow, RRR was already annyoing when he posted all his ftw whatever posts in the watercooling section, but what happens over there.. I've got myself an account on his forums just to see what the fuss actually is about. I think he seriously has some issues, if anyone doesn't understand the concept of hate posts, go there, read for yourself. The choice of words alone is ridiculous, let alone the content.

As for the mass bans, some people seem to be wondering what they did wrong recently. Did MM & Co skim through the whole filth over there to see whoever on anyday posted something indecent concerning XS? That just had to be some seriously annoying work.

[fox3]

I read through this thread and have read posts that made much sense and other posts that made me believe some people are just clueless.

To one it is a matter of principle and to another a matter of pride. I am of the belief it is better to raise ones standards than to lower one morals. Read into it what you will ...

To have read the post in question and not find anything "unusual" to warrant bannings I find confusing .

To champion for a forum that is seeking to recruit people to wreck havoc on another forum and then feel it strange that forum might have been hacked I actually find comical.

My suggestion to Xs... move on. There are countless objectionable sites on this internet thingie, they are only relevent if you frequent them.

Lil Red Riding Hood and his band of Dandy Lions are only as relevant as you make them to be.

[stangracin3]

vince from has a 2 MB email coming his way.