[Review] PrimoChill Typhoon III

[bluehaze]

then don't buy it...?
come now... don't tell me you believe it when they say "9 out of 10 doctors approve..."
if so, come, lemme sell you the brooklyn bridge... and heck, i'll throw in the statue of liberty...

this is only the first review... i'm sure many who doubt or support, will get their own and do their own comparisons...
if it was flawed.. it will show... if not... cool... nothing to fight over...

No, your right, I won't be buying it...it's just hard to sit by and watch people get sucked in by the hype and spend hard earned money thinking they are getting something they are not.

But I guess it will all work out in the end once the product is in more people hands and we have some more data on it.

If it is some revolutionary new product I will eat my words and whole heartedly apologize but somehow I find it hard to believe that is going to happen

[DarthBeavis]

No, your right, I won't be buying it...it's just hard to sit by and watch people get sucked in by the hype and spend hard earned money thinking they are getting something they are not.

But I guess it will all work out in the end once the product is in more people hands and we have some more data on it.

If it is some revolutionary new product I will eat my words and whole heartedly apologize but somehow I find it hard to believe that is going to happen

would be nice if only people who actually have one spoke about it. there is a word for talking about what you know nothing about but for some reason I just cannot recall it at the moment. As far as the data . . .I agree it is good to have multiple sources and opinions. As I already stated, opinions from those who have not even held one in hand are pretty useless.

[Manicdan]

No, your right, I won't be buying it...it's just hard to sit by and watch people get sucked in by the hype and spend hard earned money thinking they are getting something they are not.

But I guess it will all work out in the end once the product is in more people hands and we have some more data on it.

If it is some revolutionary new product I will eat my words and whole heartedly apologize but somehow I find it hard to believe that is going to happen

think of it this way, you have a cup, and a frying pan filled with water, and you try to get the water of the pan as fast as possible, but your cup hits the bottom and isnt even being filled up. thats what the inside of the D5 is like, if you swap the frying pan with a pot, you can now fill the entire cup up with every scoop. now that your moving through more water your also slowed down, but your also strong enough to still move almost as fast as you did before.

atleast thats my understanding of how this works

[BoxGods]

OK ... the part I'm missing is, if a pump with a Y on the outlet worked as well as the T3, wouldn't that be something people would have been recommending for years - instead of always warning against parallel loops (for the most part)? I never got the impression skinnee was hiding from comparisons with a pump with a Y on the outlet - just that he has already invested 3 weeks testing this as is, and has other work to get to first.

From the simple way I look at it, the T3 is a nice bay reservoir. It has a nifty place to put the D5 pump. You have the option to run parallel loops (or not). For most configurations, it will be easy to fill and bleed ( I say most, cause I'm not to sure I'd be happy trying to use it without top fillports in my Mountain Mods cube). The data provided by skinnee shows that you get nice flowrates with it as well. BoxGods has explained that it does have some differences to a regular top/reservoir system - the main one I see is the amount of space for water at the inlet. This seems to increase the performance of the pump. I dunno, maybe I'm just not understanding the concerns.

I added a version with top fill ports (and bottom ones =) that will be available at ModdersMart and PrimoChill for those with the bigger cases. I admit I overlooked those guys as I have never built one of the big cubes. There is a video of it a few pages back, or on the other thread. I will actually be making those myself as penance for forgetting you BIG case lovers =)

[Manicdan]

so it will have ports on the top AND bottom, or is it top OR bottom?

[DarthBeavis]

how about the person who really designed it, DB you've seen this b4

Geno designed it and has been in this thread. I have been in regular contact with Geno for probably a couple years and have seen his ideas from early concept now to reality. He is listening to comments here and adjusting (i.e. the glue - first making it Feser friendly then trying to make that solutions look better then adding a top fill port). Now I know other forums want him to post there . . . and to get review samples as well. That was all in process. I look forward to seeing multiple independent reviews. Does anyone have details on other reviewers for us to watch? We need unbiased sources of course.

[millertime359]

The problem I have is there is nothing really innovative about this product if all it basically is is a pump top with a Y on the outlet. It is a product of convenience allowing you to combine a Y a pump and a res all into a small space but as far as performance is concerned if it performs the same as or worse than the other pump tops with a Y on them then there is nothing revolutionary about it and that is the problem I am having with it.

It is being marketed as "the next big step forward in water cooling" "The greatest innovation ever" etc... You can't make such bold statements and expect people to blindly believe them without backing it up with the proper data and I don't know about anyone else but right now the refusal to do the Y tests speaks louder than anything said about the product so far. Because i'm sure if the T3 actually "blew away the other pump tops" in a comparison with the Y then skinnee never would have said he didn't think it was fair to the T3. It would be more than fair, the only reason I can think of for anyone to hold this information back is because it shows the T3 in an unfavorable light. If it was favorable to the T3 i'm sure people would be shouting it from the mountain tops just like they did originally with the product.

Seeing you debate with BoxGods like you have, I some how find it hard to believe you would agree with any results.

A far as the Y goes. I did you in my setup. I have parrallel GPU and CPU runs between my pump and rad. I went from a serial to that and found no difference in my temps. I am not able to measure flow rate in my setup.

Here a photo:


I have the T3 on order and will have it mounted with a bigger rad (MCR220-QP to MCR320-QP) sometime next week. I will be posting before and after temp results then.

[hellcamino]

would be nice if only people who actually have one spoke about it. there is a word for talking about what you know nothing about but for some reason I just cannot recall it at the moment.

In this case I believe the word you are looking for is "TROLL".

For those crying foul against skinnee and saying they need to hear from Martin on this...Did you already forget Martin giving skinnee a glowing endorsement as a tester/reviewer? I'm sure BoxGods wishes that he had pop-up picture books ready to send out to those who can't look at an actual picture of a product and figure out how it differs from another. BoxGods probably wasn't counting on the kindergarten failures trolling over from another forum or this would have been provided I am sure...If you really can't see how this top differs from a standard top with the addition of Y fittings than you have successfully shown how limited your knowledge and opinions are and for this we thank you!


skinnee, thanks very much for a great set of tests and review!

[BoxGods]

so it will have ports on the top AND bottom, or is it top OR bottom?

Well, I will try to keep a few in stock of all three configuration. Just top, just bottom (is this one really needed do you guys think?) and top and bottom.

I know the UFO Cube guys do a lot of custom stuffs so if you need the top or bottom port in a specific location, like centered, two on top or w/e AND you have the time to order a little (week or 10 days) AND you give me clear instructions, I can put it/them wherever you need them. Just email me.

[BoxGods]

In this case I believe the word you are looking for is "TROLL".

For those crying foul against skinnee and saying they need to hear from Martin on this...Did you already forget Martin giving skinnee a glowing endorsement as a tester/reviewer? I'm sure BoxGods wishes that he had pop-up picture books ready to send out to those who can't look at an actual picture of a product and figure out how it differs from another. BoxGods probably wasn't counting on the kindergarten failures trolling over from another forum or this would have been provided I am sure...If you really can't see how this top differs from a standard top with the addition of Y fittings than you have successfully shown how limited your knowledge and opinions are and for this we thank you!


skinnee, thanks very much for a great set of tests and review!

I just had the other forum in question pointed out to me and some of the history explained. Not sure what to say which is usually a good indicator for being quiet.

[rambler358]

Well, I will try to keep a few in stock of all three configuration. Just top, just bottom (is this one really needed do you guys think?) and top and bottom.

I think a bottom port would be nice as a drain, for those systems have problems trying to tilt. A top port is mandatory IMHO for a fill port.

[hellcamino]

I think a bottom port would be nice as a drain, for those systems have problems trying to tilt. A top port is mandatory IMHO for a fill port.

Agreed on both counts, the fill/drain ports on this top are it's weak points IMO.

@BoxGods, sorry for the rant on your behalf but it appeared that you were unaware of the source of the trolling. You and skinnee both seem like stand-up guys and it gets old reading the same old bs post after post with people trying to belittle the design or it's capabilities without any actual first hand experience or grasp of design. Belittling a known and trusted tester is just being obnoxious.

[bluehaze]

In this case I believe the word you are looking for is "TROLL".

If you really can't see how this top differs from a standard top with the addition of Y fittings than you have successfully shown how limited your knowledge and opinions are and for this we thank you!

Well one of us has anyway, and right i'm a troll because I participate on other websites? It's totally beyond reason to expect someone to be a member of rival sites and not remain objective with regard to both? I have no idea what the beef is between this site and that one and I don't really care. I read and participate on both because they both have information about water cooling simple as that.

Anyways, as I said if this turns out to be something revolutionary then I will apologize however it's plain to see at this point that the real advantage comes from the parallel loops not from the T3 itself.

And with that I bid this thread a fond farewell before it turns into some crazy flame war. Enjoy your T3's gentlemen.

Cheers

[DarthBeavis]

Well one of us has anyway, and right i'm a troll because I participate on other websites? It's totally beyond reason to expect someone to be a member of rival sites and not remain objective with regard to both? I have no idea what the beef is between this site and that one and I don't really care. I read and participate on both because they both have information about water cooling simple as that.

Anyways, as I said if this turns out to be something revolutionary then I will apologize however it's plain to see at this point that the real advantage comes from the parallel loops not from the T3 itself.

And with that I bid this thread a fond farewell before it turns into some crazy flame war. Enjoy your T3's gentlemen.

Cheers

This has NOTHING to do with any other forum this has to do with expressing opinions based on a project you have not touched. I want to have multiple independents tests done. There is nothing wrong with people questioning the testing methods and results and raising valid concerns thus improving the testing process and the product itself. Attacking people is another matter. I also frequent other forums to get a wider array of opinions and expertise. There is nothing wrong with that and it should not be discouraged. Hell, it sure makes for some funny reading.

[hellcamino]

The difference DB (and I think you know it) is that you don't jump on the bandwagon of smack talking about products or people just for the sake of causing discontent. Reading your posts here and elsewhere I am guessing that your blood pressure is in a much healthier range than others due to the lack of hate and vitriole spewing forth from you and particularly so when compared to others. In short it seems as though you have a bit too much integrity for such behaviour.

[shazza]

Enjoy your T3's gentlemen and OLD LADY.

Thanks, BoxGods, regarding other fillports - I did see your earlier post, so figured you had that angle covered.

[Utnorris]

Man Hellcamino, we must be linked in the minds, because I was thinking the same thing. How can you criticize a product so much without even holding it in your hands.

[DarthBeavis]

The difference DB (and I think you know it) is that you don't jump on the bandwagon of smack talking about products or people just for the sake of causing discontent. Reading your posts here and elsewhere I am guessing that your blood pressure is in a much healthier range than others due to the lack of hate and vitriole spewing forth from you and particularly so when compared to others. In short it seems as though you have a bit too much integrity for such behaviour.

No, I take my anger out in sparring practice and board breaks I have had my share of foot-in-mouth syndrome on the intraweb more than once.

[Sadasius]

Good review Skinny and thanks for taking the time to test and give us the results.

[Capt Proton]

Don't pay no never mind to the triple R site folks. That is a group that likes to rant with no real purpose than showing what big men they are because they can swear. Their lack of ability and abstract thinking just frustrates them to no end, and they compensate by displaying how much testosterone they can waste with a key board. For all their bluster, I am unable to log in there anymore because they don't "ban" people, they just block their access.
I really enjoy the good work Skinnee and Martin do. I am also impressed with a lot of the thought processes that go on here. Keep up the good work and let the rif raf fall where they may.

[Manicdan]

Well, I will try to keep a few in stock of all three configuration. Just top, just bottom (is this one really needed do you guys think?) and top and bottom.

I know the UFO Cube guys do a lot of custom stuffs so if you need the top or bottom port in a specific location, like centered, two on top or w/e AND you have the time to order a little (week or 10 days) AND you give me clear instructions, I can put it/them wherever you need them. Just email me.

if there is nothing on the T3 that is not a mirror image, the top and bottom can be a personal choice just by flipping it over, i think. i dont have one to look at yet so i dont know if the mounting holes will work the same by putting it upside down

[DarthBeavis]

Don't pay no never mind to the triple R site folks. That is a group that likes to rant with no real purpose than showing what big men they are because they can swear. Their lack of ability and abstract thinking just frustrates them to no end, and they compensate by displaying how much testosterone they can waste with a key board. For all their bluster, I am unable to log in there anymore because they don't "ban" people, they just block their access.
I really enjoy the good work Skinnee and Martin do. I am also impressed with a lot of the thought processes that go on here. Keep up the good work and let the rif raf fall where they may.

I am sorry but I want reviews from MANY sources I just want those sources to maintain a level of neutrality until they have their own test results. There is expertise in many places. It would benefit us all if the level of discourse was raised across the board. Maybe we need the ancient ones to come back and show us the way (Cathar and Marci).

[hellcamino]

I have had my share of foot-in-mouth syndrome on the intraweb more than once.

The difference is that you can say that where others attempt to justify it.

[JOCKTHEGLIDE]

wow just wow...this thread was doing great now we are bashing each other...oh well I just want to buy the tyhpoon 3 baby....

[Capt Proton]

wow just wow...this thread was doing great now we are bashing each other...oh well I just want to buy the tyhpoon 3 baby....

True. On with the discussion, lest we fall to their level! My greatest pleasure with this whole thing is that it represents a change in technology, not just a wee bit better way to do the same old tired thing. If water cooling is to remain a definer of those who have rigs, as opposed to those who buy a Compaq, HP or Gateway, we need to see new ideas on the market. Water cooling is becoming way too main stream. I find that this concept will give rise to a whole new generation of blocks, rads and procedures.