Selling ES processor is a risky business.

[systemviper]

if you really want to stop ES chips from beeing sold why dont you stop intel employees and intel partners from selling them?
cracking down on the people in the enthusiast community who trade with them wont solve the problem, they will just be replaced... and it will upset the enthusiast community... if you want to solve the problem, solve it at its source...

check who sends how many ES chips where and verify whether they are actually still in place or what happened to them.
i heard rumors of intel employees handing over large amounts of ES chips as a favour to intel partners, knowing that they will use them in systems or sell them and that this is an extra income for them... not sure how true this is, but im sure this rumor is based on some truth at least...

I agree totaly. If he was smart he could have addressed the issue, educated us as to the hows and why's of ES chips and looked to us for understanding and support. Not give is a sugar coated warning.

[blaxtr3m3]

yaya we all knew this a long ago
but as long as they are treated the same as retail chips in our community - there's no way to stop the sales

a tip - if you have an ES - lap it

[Bail_w]

Pretty sure this was posted here, because there is a member of this forum selling an ES chip on a few other sites. The ES chip for sale isn't even retail yet, so I can see why Francois is annoyed.

He can start a thread on the forums that was selling ES chips.

[hipro5]

Or another senario (to fill sayaa's post) is that someone from China has sold over 100 ES pieces to a guy for 20$ EACH and the guy then sold them ~500$ EACH - which apparently this senario is legit.......

[Funky]

Quiet frankly, the whole thing has been dramatised. ( I am sure that was the intension of this thread )

If intel is soo concerned about their ES chips, this would have never happened in the first place.

Come to some east asian countries and benchers there have god knows how many ES to sale / trade and openly use them in competitions.

Exactly opposite is the case here where in a country of 1.2 billion, just 4-5 samples of i7 were distributed by Intel for entire press and reviewers on rotation basis before launch of it platform. And it was much easier to actually buy so called illegal ES chip off black market than to get a chip even for review from Intel. Go figure .

Dirty work begins where Intel partners / employees are directly involved. All those who have reliable source of ES chips dont even need to put it on ebay. These chips gets sold over IM/MSN/Yahoo in matter of minutes.

Also lot of flames directed towards OP are because of the choice of his words than anything else.

Intel cant crack down at the source, they need those people for publicity.
And frankly this thread is otherwise pointless. We all know its illegal to sale test sample / ES chips. But in current situation, I dont see Intel being able to crack down the same effectively.

[Movieman]

Or another senario (to fill sayaa's post) is that someone from China has sold over 100 ES pieces to a guy for 20$ EACH and the guy then sold them ~500$ EACH - which apparently this senario is legit.......

Didn't I just say this in post #80?
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...5&postcount=80

[hipro5]

Didn't I just say this in post #80?
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...5&postcount=80

Oopsss - Sorry - I haven't noticed that.......

[Monstru]

Very interesting thread I might say. Really curious about the purpose though...

[Movieman]

Very interesting thread I might say. Really curious about the purpose though...

Education for those that didn't know and a polite warning for those that did.

[Monstru]

Who does not know and still receive ES chips from Intel? What category of persons receive ES's without signing NDA papers?

[Haltech]

I hope you guys see the paradox, in one hand, you are asking for samples , as a community, but in the other hand, inside this community, there are people selling what they got for free, and got it from somebody who did not respect his engagement (NDA) about this samples ... As long as people inside the OC community do this traffic, it is fairly hard to considere the OC community seriously for sampling ... Just sit in my place, and look at the problem from there.
People are trying to make money of something they don't own, if you pay for a Sample, I can repossese it anytime. They are just borrowed part and are always the property of Intel.

I am not trying to blame anybody here, But understand that the team of F1 don't go and steel and sell the engines of Mercedes or Renault ... If you want to be treated as a serious sport, It has to go by not doing nasty stuffs in the league. This start by excluding ES from the competitions, too often, I see top overclockers bragging about their ES they got under covers ... This is not a sign of an Healthy Overclocker, but more a sign of Mafia ... ;-)

I hope you guys understand that I am trying to help the OC community to become a more serious organization, through all of those advise.

To conclude, Yes, we do purchase often ES Chips, and yes, some people get in trouble, and every time, I am like "Dude! What was you thinking!!!"

A clean sport has to be ... clean!
Francois

Perhaps, its time for your people at Intel, to do a better screening process of those they are giving these ES to. Maybe it would even be best to be sure they were 21 yrs old or older.

Why whine about the problem if Intel doesn't want to stop the way they give out samples? Seems the procedure needs to be revised. However, whining about it on one of the largest OCing forums in the world, isn't going to stop it, it will just give people a laugh.

[The-Fox]

Intel should recall all the ES chips they gave in the last year and see who doesn't return it because he probably sold it and now he can't get it back.
If some party/person can't bring the CPU back, 99% they sold it, and they should be treated accordingly.

The persons selling ES chips on other sites (ocbay for instance) are probably not signed on any NDA docs and bought this cpus from somebody who did signed on NDA docs and breached the rules.

I agree with Saaya and hipro, fix the root of the issue and not the symptom !

[jcniest5]

Intel should recall all the ES chips they gave in the last year and see who doesn't return it because he probably sold it and now he can't get it back.
If some party/person can't bring the CPU back, 99% they sold it, and they should be treated accordingly.

The persons selling ES chips on other sites (ocbay for instance) are probably not signed on any NDA docs and bought this cpus from somebody who did signed on NDA docs and breached the rules.

I agree with Saaya and hipro, fix the root of the issue and not the symptom !

It will be interesting to find out!

[Drwho?]

http://cgi.ebay.com/_W0QQitemZ260437993383

This was not smart, I warned ...
Now, it is not up to me anymore.

Francois

[Grnfinger]

you might want to get comfy your going to busy for along time

http://shop.ebay.ca/?_from=R40&_trks...All-Categories

[foch3 -USA-]

I got a retail i7 920 I am going to put on ebay as ES i7-975. I am trying to pay for a trip to Germany and this could be just the ticket. lol

Wow I didn't know there were that many for sale on ebay. Good Hunting Dr. Who.

[LagunaX]

http://cgi.ebay.com/_W0QQitemZ260437993383

This was not smart, I warned ...
Now, it is not up to me anymore.

Francois

That guy was pretty dumb using the same ebay name as his signon name here at XS where he posts his results...

[Leeghoofd]

Why is that ? he sold it for 605 euro's... so no biggie as I suspect it turns out to be about a zero operation, so he doesn't loose any money, plus these guys will get their hands on ES samples anyway maybe not directly via Intel but via an intermediate level... and he probably benched the crap out of it and didn't like it :p

[Expat GriZ]

It all starts with......INTEL. Any policy revision, procedure, handouts, freebies, you name it...IT ALL STARTS WITH INTEL!!! This is where the changes have to be made. They don't walk out the door by themselves. No disrespect to the OP but clean up your own house before worrying about the neighbours. Sorry, just had to say this.

[WhiteFireDragon]

Drwho, why don't you guys slightly change the policy and have contracts saying these chips will be recalled in 2 years after handing them out, and if after that two years and the chips are not able to be returned, then the person borrowing these chips will be charged for however much the CPU costs.

[iandh]

I've purchased chips on ebay before with no mention that they were an ES chip and then been sent one before... kind of fun having an E4300 with an unlocked multi, but still, shady.

[Kai Robinson]

Looks like the seller of that eBay item is this guy: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/member.php?u=7914

[Movieman]

Looks like the seller of that eBay item is this guy: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/member.php?u=7914

I just love it when people state the obvious..

I've got mixed feelings here.
I've met this guy. Good people.
Hard working OC'er with great talents.
I would hate to see Intel come down on him.
In fact I would hate it to the point where I'd never spend another dime with Intel.
That isn't the PC thing to say in this thread but thats how I feel.
About time for someone to stand up and say the truth here instead of being polite as I and others have.
This will probably hurt me personally but i'm not going to stand by quietly and watch a major corporation go after a individual and say nothing.
Francois:
Here's the facts of the world we live in.
You folks send out hundreds or thousands of ES chips yearly to companies to use to validate their products plus some to individuals for reviews and ot testing.
Nothing the matter with that at all.
It's what you have to do to stay in business .
Then lets get to the real world where most of us aren't in the 6 figure income bracket such as yourself.
We have passions for a hobby or in my case that and the desire to try and rid the world of diseases so our kids live longer and happier lives.
Someone offers me a pair of cpu's at 1/2 what they would cost retail and you think I'm going to say no?
Do I care if they say ES on them or SE? no.
They do the work I need done and thats the bottom line.
If the seller made money on what he sold me thats up to him.
What I see is that I get machines built and doing the work that never would have been built and to me that is all that matters.
Now you and I get along and I respect you position but if Intel brings down the weight of the company on boble then I'm done with Intel and will do what I can to convince others to walk away from Intel also.
Sorry, but that is exactly how I feel.
These are my personal feelings and in no way am I representing Xtremesystems with my comments.

[Grnfinger]

So you think Intel cares about you and your friends???
I'm sure they will miss your few $$$ a year, I definitely see them going chapter 11 once you cripple there retail sales

[Movieman]

So you think Intel cares about you and your friends???
I'm sure they will miss your few $$$ a year, I definitely see them going chapter 11 once you cripple there retail sales

No, I doubt they'd notice it at all.
That wasn't the point.