||**||firstcontact||**||xtremeconditions||**||

[FlanK3r]

http://translate.google.com/translat...tate0=&swap=14 lol here at xtremesystems and all in the world "popular" OBR has one ...

and here next reviews:
http://hothardware.com/articles/AMD-...-Edition-TWKR/
http://www.techwarelabs.com/changing...story-of-cpus/
http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Ha..._black_review/
http://www.tomshardware.com/pictures...enom-twkr.html

[salad]

..
Edit:
I want to add a little more to this.
Think on the cost/benefit to the company.
They send out a 100 chips in these nice fancy boxes.
The retail cost of the cpu is what? say it's worth $300.00 based on what I see in their pricing and a little added for it being a special chip.
So they have $30,000.00 for the chips plus the cost of the labor,boxes,and shipping involved.
Call it $40,000.00 when all is said and done for the sake of picking a number.
Now, what do they get out of it?
Some exposure yes, but is it worth the $40K investment?
That's a management call.
What I see is that they incure a $40G cost to put smiles on the faces of 100 guys.
How can anyone find fault with this?
I don't care who they go to.
I just see this as a good thing for the people who get them and then also I get to watch what they do with them.
None of us lose, everyone wins and I'd just like to say Thanks to AMD for doing this.

Well the beauty is, that these chips would normally have been rejected. So ironically they couldn't have sold them anyway. Cost is basically those fancy boxes. Marketing benefit/$ is tremendous. Go AMD!

And for people complaining about it only going to a chosen few, who cares? I suspect many many of us here "casual overclockers" live vicariously through the hardcore ones anyway. I can't even afford a Phenom II right now in any case, but I love seeing people's results. Even if I had the $ for LN I'd rather spend it on something else and see others' results.

Edit: I might spend it on a 30" screen though May as well extend my triple-monitor madness to quad!

[EniGmA1987]

wow. a 7GHz quad core being benched... AMD definitely wins some bragging rights with this one.

[[XC] gomeler]

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1009/1/
lookie what i found


i'm not even going to point out the fact that they didn't insulate for in this and everything is covered in ice

I was the LN2 reviewer at LegitReviews. I also insulated quite well, you can't see it but the capacitors/fet, northbridge, and dimm slots are packed with vaseline. Then eraser was lid down and as you can see around the pot. This board has had this insulation job done for a couple dozen LN2 runs I had a perfect seal, I just remove the pot around -192C as I was in a hurry and pulled the socket off the board. Gautam, Vapor, and myself spent only ~30 minutes "reviewing" that chip Hit a wall around 5900 in 06 and moved on to CPU-Z.

edit: more pictures of the Gautam/Vapor/Gomeler AM3 speed session: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/....php?p=3878939

[FlanK3r]

what do u mean Gomeler, is here potencial in short time get 7GHz or over 7 with LHe? And KinGpins chips was too TWKR or any 955 ES?

[cdawall]

I was the LN2 reviewer at LegitReviews. I also insulated quite well, you can't see it but the capacitors/fet, northbridge, and dimm slots are packed with vaseline. Then eraser was lid down and as you can see around the pot. This board has had this insulation job done for a couple dozen LN2 runs I had a perfect seal, I just remove the pot around -192C as I was in a hurry and pulled the socket off the board. Gautam, Vapor, and myself spent only ~30 minutes "reviewing" that chip Hit a wall around 5900 in 06 and moved on to CPU-Z.

edit: more pictures of the Gautam/Vapor/Gomeler AM3 speed session: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/....php?p=3878939

didn't see the vaseline i feel better now

and 6.5ghz in half an hour works good for me

[[XC] gomeler]

didn't see the vaseline i feel better now

and 6.5ghz in half an hour works good for me

Thanks

what do u mean Gomeler, is here potencial in short time get 7GHz or over 7 with LHe? And KinGpins chips was too TWKR or any 955 ES?

I tested Vince's chip in a short 10 minute session(probably 6 minutes to pull the pot down) and his was ~100MHz better than mine through 3D06. I suspect with more tweaking he'll be able to run 06 at 6100-6200 on LN2 but he won't see 7GHz on LHe. This chip is nothing like the chip that hit 6.9 on LHe in Austin. My chip was the worst of the Austin chips and I was doing 3D06 at 6250 all day long.

[soundood]

one positive in this is the ability to debate this without it decending into some kind free for all, for that i am happy.

i also agree with movieman to the extent, that maybe we should sit back and let people enjoy thier chips, at the expense of a company,

this is a much wider debate, that can be adressed again, so i am out of the thread.

enjoy your chips guys

edit sry: i swear i am out after this,

Thanks

I tested Vince's chip in a short 10 minute session(probably 6 minutes to pull the pot down) and his was ~100MHz better than mine through 3D06. I suspect with more tweaking he'll be able to run 06 at 6100-6200 on LN2 but he won't see 7GHz on LHe. This chip is nothing like the chip that hit 6.9 on LHe in Austin. My chip was the worst of the Austin chips and I was doing 3D06 at 6250 all day long.

so these are chips that would have been apparently 'rejected' that are not anywhere near as good as the 'austin chips' (in gomelers opinion), so what are we seeing here? i am really confused now.

did someone just knock this idea up in a shed somewhere, get themselves some boxes from ikea, and spraypaint them with some stencils? when in fact in reality they sgould have been thrown in the bin as fails?

if that is the case, then this would be totaly ironic

[G0ldBr1ck]

Not that it matters but does anyone have a clue why AMD decided on 2ghz for the default on these chips?

[Mean Machine]

Not that it matters but does anyone have a clue why AMD decided on 2ghz for the default on these chips?

Probably because it helped the naming.

I was a bit surprised to se Overclocker Club's review done on only dice...

[[XC] gomeler]

one positive in this is the ability to debate this without it decending into some kind free for all, for that i am happy.

i also agree with movieman to the extent, that maybe we should sit back and let people enjoy thier chips, at the expense of a company,

this is a much wider debate, that can be adressed again, so i am out of the thread.

enjoy your chips guys

edit sry: i swear i am out after this,



so these are chips that would have been apparently 'rejected' that are not anywhere near as good as the 'austin chips' (in gomelers opinion), so what are we seeing here? i am really confused now.

did someone just knock this idea up in a shed somewhere, get themselves some boxes from ikea, and spraypaint them with some stencils? when in fact in reality they sgould have been thrown in the bin as fails?

if that is the case, then this would be totaly ironic

These aren't rejects. Most of them require 1.13v to 1.17v for 3.2GHz(955 speeds) and clock slightly better than retail. The chips in Austin were exceptional, not sure how they came across them but there were only 4 chips. Compare that to somewhere between 100 and 200 TWKRs, naturally the TWKRs aren't going to be the absolute cream of the crop.

Not that it matters but does anyone have a clue why AMD decided on 2ghz for the default on these chips?

Default doesn't matter. This isn't a retail chip and 42 with the play on Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy sounds better than 432, 434, or 436, all possible frequencies with acceptable volts.

Probably because it helped the naming.

I was a bit surprised to se Overclocker Club's review done on only dice...

Not everyone has access to LN2.

[Buckeye]

I would like to see one of these bad boys under my cascade

[chew*]

I would like to see one of these bad boys under my cascade

I think I can make that happen.......let me get permission first....

No posting results on the bot with this chip though....

You have an AM3 board? preferably not the MSI. I would like it back alive.

[[XC] gomeler]

I would like to see one of these bad boys under my cascade

You'll only get 5.2-5.3 bench stable, I tried Just not cold enough.

[soundood]

so these where knocked together in someones shed, with a screen printer and some boxes from Ikea,

this is starting to sound like a practical joke, hype up some random chips, with some shiny boxes, and then they wont clock higher than we have seen before?

so please please tell me the point of this whole exercise? because the way i see it, a lot of peeps are wasting money on kit and Ln2, trying to achieve something that has already been achieved,

without a snowballs chance in hell of getting above any previous 'records'

ho ho i got a great idea, ill be back soon with it, lol

[massman]

Soundood.

First you're complaining about only a few people getting super samples and now you're complaining that they're no super samples after all? Are you complaining for the sake of it or what's your opinion really?

[[XC] gomeler]

so these where knocked together in someones shed, with a screen printer and some boxes from Ikea,

this is starting to sound like a practical joke, hype up some random chips, with some shiny boxes, and then they wont clock higher than we have seen before?

so please please tell me the point of this whole exercise? because the way i see it, a lot of peeps are wasting money on kit and Ln2, trying to achieve something that has already been achieved,

without a snowballs chance in hell of getting above any previous 'records'

ho ho i got a great idea, ill be back soon with it, lol

Have you benched a Phenom II X4 and a TWKR yet? I don't think you are reading anything, the TWKR is a slightly better bin than the average 955. Don't get it in your head that the freak 955 Chew* has is normal, his is way out in left field and he's spent days tweaking it. Playing with a TWKR is not a waste of time and if you are expecting 4.5GHz 24/7 stable then you have no idea how much the manufacturing process and design come into play. AMD's manufacturing process has created chips that scale with temperature, Intel's process has created chips that scale with voltage and modestly with temperature.

I thought you were self declared out of this thread?

[Buckeye]

You'll only get 5.2-5.3 bench stable, I tried Just not cold enough.

Gomeler I have 5 pots from vince and full access to LN2 with 50L Taylor Wharton Dewar. I can go as cold as LN2 will take me

I just love the Cascade these days, it's so much easyer and been having a lot of fun with it. Can't tell you how much I have saved in LN2 costs over the past several weeks, but I haven't gotten the power bill yet LOL !

[soundood]

I thought you were self declared out of this thread?

no i am out on the serious debate front, which as i said is a bigger issue, but i am here for humour (if i can find any)

the point remains, these chips are not going to do much we havent already seen, regardless of marketing, on that note i think they should have been branded this way (forgive photchop skills)



please please someone tell me you find this funny, even a slight smile will do !!!

[chew*]

I implore you to show me 955 results better?

Oh wait....most of the best 955 results are mine.....and this chip bested it in the same hands.

[cdawall]

I implore you to show me 955 results better?

Oh wait....most of the best 955 results are mine.....and this chip bested it in the same hands.

i think i already complemented you and pointed that one out somewhere lol

[Manicdan]

please please someone tell me you find this funny, even a slight smile will do !!!

^did not get me to laugh

I implore you to show me 955 results better?

Oh wait....most of the best 955 results are mine.....and this chip bested it in the same hands.

^did get me to laugh

[soundood]

Soundood.

First you're complaining about only a few people getting super samples and now you're complaining that they're no super samples after all? Are you complaining for the sake of it or what's your opinion really?

ok my main point was the reasoning behind selecting a few 'not for sale' chips and handing them out to a select few, for benching, this is a discussion i have now dropped, as i agree with movieman in the sense, i dont want to rain on the parade (too much)

since that drop in discussion, i have since learned (due to results coming in) that these are not in fact anything to shout about, and i find that quite funny. Why you ask? well the hype that has surrounded these chips has been quite fantastic, albeit hype, but marketing hype none the less.

so it sort of re-inforces my first point (with humour) that these chips where pointless to begin with. we are now seeing the same old clocks macci pulled out at the start of the year, this is nothing new. hell k|ngp|n has got a higher clock with a non 'TWKR'

so please dont think i am being flippant, although i dont understand how you would see that, i am merely holding back on the serious stuff, and trying to have fun with the reality that these chips dont really clock that well, considering what they are hyped to be.

ok i promise, i am out now, i will leave you guys to be outstanded by these TWKR's, have fun

[chew*]

Kingpin was also on LHe?

or did you forget that little detail?

In austin I hit 6634......on unlimited ln2.......at my home on TWKR I hit 6603......on 30L LN2

how is that so bad?

[chew*]

i think i already complemented you and pointed that one out somewhere lol

Heh that was directed at sound dood....as he seems to think 955's are in the same league....