Selling ES processor is a risky business.

[knopflerbruce]

Better: http://desc.shop.ebay.com/items/PC-C...=p3286.c0.m282

It's quite remarkable that when you search for "engineering sample", you'll find one AMD CPU (which may not even be an ES, to my knowledge) - and like 45 auctions with Intel chips.

You sure like challenges if your target is to remove all of these from the circulation Perhaps it's time to finally put a lock on the door of that supersecret ES warehouse, too?

[systemviper]

no i think Mr X felt it was better to use cryptic veiled threats here instead,
it's prob just some reverse intel logic, they haven't been selling to good
so now people will buy them to check them out.

[The Water Dog]

Becouse everybody that buys ES is after Intels big secret.
If Intel want this to stop, they can do it much faster and without "threats" on a oc-forum.

[MomijiTMO]

Ahhahaha nice one. You got your ES in good trust and you abused that trust. Shame on you.

[GAR]

Who is selling ES chips? i dont think big name websites will sell them. ES i7's suck

[Jakethesnake011]

What if you end up buying an ES and not knowing it? Is the buyer in trouble, or only when they try to RMA Intel will deny the RMA due to the chip being an ES. This makes me nervous of buying 2nd hand from people with out retail boxes.

[NaeKuh]

Who is selling ES chips? i dont think big name websites will sell them. ES i7's suck

uhh... not all...

What if you end up buying an ES and not knowing it? Is the buyer in trouble, or only when they try to RMA Intel will deny the RMA due to the chip being an ES. This makes me nervous of buying 2nd hand from people with out retail boxes.

Well that would be seriously messed up if someone sold you an ES and not stated it was an ES.

I think doc who's reference to the OCBay is Ebay, as 90% of the hardware forums there ban'd on the for sale section.

You cant sell ES's here, nor can u sell them on Techpowerup, i believe hardforums also prohibits them, and on anandtech its treading a very very gray line.

[drnip]

You mention sign up for them, where do I sign up for one?

[loonym]

I think it's a shame that intel doesn't provide samples to some DC team members. What better proving ground than on rigs that run flat out around the clock?

[bot@xs]

so what is one to do with an ES chip if has no use anymore, the testing and reviews have been done and the chip entered production?
is there a time frame where a sale is forbidden?
can the chip be returned to intel for a refund if at all it was paid for?

most important, how can i get my hands on an ES?
DrWho

[gillbot]

most important, how can i get my hands on an ES?
DrWho

I think that is the point, the general public is not supposed to have them. They are supposed to be destroyed or returned to intel.

[jcniest5]

so what is one to do with an ES chip if has no use anymore, the testing and reviews have been done and the chip entered production?
is there a time frame where a sale is forbidden?
can the chip be returned to intel for a refund if at all it was paid for?

most important, how can i get my hands on an ES?
DrWho

Did I see it correctly that you signed as "DrWho"? Or is that a question for DrWho?

[MACMAC]

I think that is the point, the general public is not supposed to have them. They are supposed to be destroyed or returned to intel.

Not necessarily, those of us who have some can theoretically keep them forever, but it remains Intel's property and as such cannot be sold.

[bot@xs]

Did I see it correctly that you signed as "DrWho"? Or is that a question for DrWho?

not really, i guess i should have put a question mark behind his name. i was asking him but am open for answers from anybody else

[nyeah]

yeah all he did was start a thread about this s and now he's gone, kinda like hit and run .

[MACMAC]

yeah all he did was start a thread about this s and now he's gone, kinda like hit and run .

He doesn't need to say anything else, does he?

The message should be clear: don't sell ES processors.

[Jakethesnake011]

Now what if you buy one knowing it is an ES, and you just want to use it and you dont care it is an ES? Is that "illegal" for you to buy it knowing what it truly is?

[LagunaX]

This is a we todd did thread.
Why is Intel worried about a trickling of individual ES chips on ebay if www.stalliontek.com sells them by volume everyday and has been for years?
Intel has better things to worry about - like that billion dollar suit in the EU - or the top of the line 3.3ghz Intel quad selling for > $1000 when the AMD 3.2ghz quad is selling for $234...

Besides, it's true - most ES chips after the conroes tended to be crappy overclockers compared to retail and had stupid temp probes that didn't work...

[fallwind]

Not necessarily, those of us who have some can theoretically keep them forever, but it remains Intel's property and as such cannot be sold.

^^Everyone read this again cause it's the truth. ES chips are LOANED free of charge to certain individuals of Intels choosing. You can't legally sell something that you didn't purchase and is someone elses property.

[naokaji]

yeah all he did was start a thread about this s and now he's gone, kinda like hit and run .

Those who receive ES chips directly from Intel have to sign certain documents which contain the information already that they are not allowed to sell them, so this thread is more like a remiinder.

[devsk]

Does anybody know what the difference between 'tray' and 'ES' CPUs? lagoom.com has been selling 'tray' CPUs for some time now and these don't come with retail box just the CPU and they have only 30-day warranty from lagoom.com and nothing from Intel. Does that sound fishy? It looks like 'tray' is same as 'ES' because if these were OEM, they would still carry 3-yr Intel warranty.

If someone provides Intel with proof that they bought from lagoom.com, will they sue lagoom.com or honor the (non-existent) warranty and RMA the chip? DrWho, any inputs?

[Drwho?]

I hope you guys see the paradox, in one hand, you are asking for samples , as a community, but in the other hand, inside this community, there are people selling what they got for free, and got it from somebody who did not respect his engagement (NDA) about this samples ... As long as people inside the OC community do this traffic, it is fairly hard to considere the OC community seriously for sampling ... Just sit in my place, and look at the problem from there.
People are trying to make money of something they don't own, if you pay for a Sample, I can repossese it anytime. They are just borrowed part and are always the property of Intel.

I am not trying to blame anybody here, But understand that the team of F1 don't go and steel and sell the engines of Mercedes or Renault ... If you want to be treated as a serious sport, It has to go by not doing nasty stuffs in the league. This start by excluding ES from the competitions, too often, I see top overclockers bragging about their ES they got under covers ... This is not a sign of an Healthy Overclocker, but more a sign of Mafia ... ;-)

I hope you guys understand that I am trying to help the OC community to become a more serious organization, through all of those advise.

To conclude, Yes, we do purchase often ES Chips, and yes, some people get in trouble, and every time, I am like "Dude! What was you thinking!!!"

A clean sport has to be ... clean!
Francois

[Movieman]

I think people here misunderstood what Francois(Dr.Who?) was trying to say.
He was giving a polite warning to the guys here out of courtesy.
Take it in that context only please.
Technically and legally Intel does retain ownership of all ES chips they send out to manufacturers of boards,etc.
Don't flame him for the post, thank him for letting you know before you get yourself into any problems.

Does anybody know what the difference between 'tray' and 'ES' CPUs? lagoom.com has been selling 'tray' CPUs for some time now and these don't come with retail box just the CPU and they have only 30-day warranty from lagoom.com and nothing from Intel. Does that sound fishy? It looks like 'tray' is same as 'ES' because if these were OEM, they would still carry 3-yr Intel warranty.

If someone provides Intel with proof that they bought from lagoom.com, will they sue lagoom.com or honor the (non-existent) warranty and RMA the chip? DrWho, any inputs?

Tray and ES are two totally different things.
Tray are just as it sounds, retail chips in a plastic tray sold to OEM's in bulk.Nothing illegal about buying those.

[LennyRhys]

Yeah it's a friendly warning, not criticism or pointing the finger. I just watched Enemy of the State last night - maybe that's what happens when you sell an ES chip.

[Mean Machine]

I've had a bunch of ES CPU's, but I'd never sell one, or buy one, for that matter. When I have one I don't need, I simply loan it to a friend, so I can return it to Intel when/if they want it back. It might end up being costly selling one of those.