Asus P6T Deluxe Discussion Thread

[ben805]

Hi,

I've been following this for a while now and posted earlier about crossflashing this board.

Seriously...STOP complaining about the silly multiplier throttling issue.

Even more nasty is to piss at ASUS for fixing mass storage issues instead. What's more important, your big GHz balls or data safety?! You are trading your data for 100 MHz extra? That's ridiculous, even if YOUR PC isn't affected. Many others might and it's not just about YOUR MHZ.

Overclocks beyond 4 GHz are mostly silly anyway, because 45 nm Intel chips do not scale past 4 GHz anymore. They just suck an enormous extra amount of power for little speed improvement. Just look at the articles on this at Anandtech if you CARE getting informed.

Get REAL people!

<sigh>

PS: If you're getting your will, what's next? You're getting a new board to get even more MHz!

Seriously, you have visited the wrong forum dude, go hang out at cnet or pcmag forum or something, you'll definitely find your type over there.

[ben805]

I don't know what about Anandtech article, but I can measure difference between 4Ghz and 4.4Ghz. And its enough for me to run 4.4Ghz. And hyperthreaded!

Don't feed the troll! Last time I checked Anandtech tested a retail D0 which they can get stable at 4.3~4.4Ghz all day long:

http://www.anandtech.com/weblog/showpost.aspx?i=584

[Classic Satch]

Don't feed the troll! Last time I checked Anandtech tested a retail D0 which they can get stable at 4.3~4.4Ghz all day long:

http://www.anandtech.com/weblog/showpost.aspx?i=584

This is killing me! I was an early adopter, two weeks after release actually. I was coming off an Opty 165 rig so this was a massive upgrade. However, the numbers from these D0's are great. I can get my C0 920 to 4.2Ghz at 1.4vcore with HT on, 1.36v HT off. But, it must be noted that I use my rig EXCLUSIVELY for gaming. Nothing else. Basically a $2500 Xbox.

So, do any of you think it's worth it to upgrade to 2000Mhz RAM and a D0 stepping(while incurring the wife's wrath) or just stand pat and wait until the new GPU's hit? I realize that this is off-topic but it's a minor diversion.

[devsk]

This is killing me! I was an early adopter, two weeks after release actually. I was coming off an Opty 165 rig so this was a massive upgrade. However, the numbers from these D0's are great. I can get my C0 920 to 4.2Ghz at 1.4vcore with HT on, 1.36v HT off. But, it must be noted that I use my rig EXCLUSIVELY for gaming. Nothing else. Basically a $2500 Xbox.

So, do any of you think it's worth it to upgrade to 2000Mhz RAM and a D0 stepping(while incurring the wife's wrath) or just stand pat and wait until the new GPU's hit? I realize that this is off-topic but it's a minor diversion.

My advice would be its not worth it. If you can tolerate the heat (with a good cooler like Prolimatech Mega), use 4.2 24x7 (1.4 vcore is OK). In games you won't notice much difference from 4.2 to 4.4 or even 4.0 to 4.4. Your video card is more important there.

And for games, turn HT off. May be you can push 4.3 or 4.4 with HT off and same volts and temps.

Going for a D0 and higher b/w RAM is probably not a great idea. But its your money...

[Classic Satch]

My advice would be its not worth it. If you can tolerate the heat (with a good cooler like Prolimatech Mega), use 4.2 24x7 (1.4 vcore is OK). In games you won't notice much difference from 4.2 to 4.4 or even 4.0 to 4.4. Your video card is more important there.

And for games, turn HT off. May be you can push 4.3 or 4.4 with HT off and same volts and temps.

Going for a D0 and higher b/w RAM is probably not a great idea. But its your money...

I have it under H20 so temps aren't a concern. And yeah, I usually keep HT off because it serves absolutely no purpose in the games I play. I was thinking along the same lines as you all along but I just wanted to solicit some input. In my world, more money spent on PC equals less fellatio from wife.

[Amurtigress]

Hi,

well, no matter what you're saying here, criticizing ASUS for fixing HD compatibility issues is dumb, you'd be the first one to slap them in the face too if your harddrive was affected. Apparently they just can't please you either way.

And frankly, 3.8 GHz on my machine aren't exactly normal overclocking, nor are they stock...

At all the xtremeism that I don't mind at all, some common sense should be used!

[Burner27]

Can someone explain QPI voltage and DRAM voltage under these circumstances:

I have 12GB of Corsair DDR3-1600 CAS8. Label says 1.65v

If I set the DRAM frequency to DDR3-1333 and everything else on AUTO, I get the following measurements using TurboV:

QPI/DRAM Core Volt = 1.20000v
DRAM Bus Voltage = 1.66v

If I manually set the DRAM bus voltage to 1.5v it reports 1.5v

If I want to run the RAM at DDR3-1600, I set the frequency to DDR3-1600 and leave everything else on AUTO, I get the following from TurboV:

QPI/DRAM Core Volt = 1.37500v
DRAM Bus Voltage = 1.66v

I can manually set the DRAM to 1.64v and it will report 1.64v but if I try to lower the QPI/DRAM Core Voltage to 1.2v, it fails to boot.

I am worried that the mobo is over-volting the QPI/DRAM Core Volt setting. What are 'safe' voltages if i want to run it at DDR3-1600? Can anyone recommend safe settings?

Thank you

Could someone assist me please?

Thank you

[mak1skav]

@ Burner27

You can try to set QPI/DRAM at 1.35v which is the maximum safe voltage according to Intel specifications and set the DRAM voltage to 1.64 or 1.66.

I have set QPI/DRAM at 1.35v in my motherboard from first day that i bought it and i don't have any problems until now. I have this system running for 5 months now.

[Burner27]

@ Burner27

You can try to set QPI/DRAM at 1.35v which is the maximum safe voltage according to Intel specifications and set the DRAM voltage to 1.64 or 1.66.

I have set QPI/DRAM at 1.35v in my motherboard from first day that i bought it and i don't have any problems until now. I have this system running for 5 months now.

Thanks for the information. 2 questions:

You say you don't have any problems 'until now'. Does that mean you are having problems or are you saying you are not?

If I enable the XMP profile on my mobo for the memory, it sets the QPI/Dram to 1.35v and the DRAM voltage to 1.66v. When I use Asus' TurboV to monitor the QPI/DRAM voltage, it says it is 1.375v. Since there is no way to check in the BIOS what the current status of the QPI/DRAM voltage is reading, I have to rely on what I set it to (or in this case what the XMP profile sets it to).

What should I do?

[unclewebb]

I was just contacted by an Asus rep who told me about a bios version that won't be generally released. It has a new feature. The ability to disable Turbo throttling on the Asus P6T Deluxe.
Are there any enthusiasts here that would be interested in getting their hands on something like that?

Here's some of the info I received:

"The attached file is the modified BIOS of P6T Deluxe. It disables the "CPU Turbo Power Limit" when the user manually sets the AI-tuner configuration.
We will not release this BIOS because it may affect the life time of user's motherboard & CPU.
If you still have to provide test BIOS for other models, please let me know."

It looks like Asus does care about their Xtreme customers and all of the complaining has finally paid off. I'll let you guys know when I find out more info. Time to head to EBay first and pick up any P6T Deluxe boards that frustrated Xtreme users are trying to dump.

Update: So far the only new bios available with this feature is for the Asus P6T Deluxe v1. They plan to try and add this feature to a few more of the P6T series.

Turbo throttling is there for a reason, to protect both the CPU and the VRM. For that reason, they don't plan to add this feature to the bios versions in their normal download area. This is going to be more like a modded bios designed specifically for the XS types. Hopefully Juan Jose from Asus can drop by here and post some more info. He finally made it into XS so give him a thumbs up and a big welcome if he drops by for trying to get this issue fixed.

[003]

I was just contacted by an Asus rep who told me about a bios version that won't be generally released. It has a new feature. The ability to disable Turbo throttling on the Asus P6T Deluxe.
Are there any enthusiasts here that would be interested in getting their hands on something like that?

Here's some of the info I received:

"The attached file is the modified BIOS of P6T Deluxe. It disables the "CPU Turbo Power Limit" when the user manually sets the AI-tuner configuration.
We will not release this BIOS because it may affect the life time of user's motherboard & CPU.
If you still have to provide test BIOS for other models, please let me know."

It looks like Asus does care about their Xtreme customers and all of the complaining has finally paid off. I'll let you guys know when I find out more info. Time to head to EBay first and pick up any P6T Deluxe boards that frustrated Xtreme users are trying to dump.

Update: So far the only new bios available with this feature is for the Asus P6T Deluxe v1. They plan to try and add this feature to a few more of the P6T series.

Turbo throttling is there for a reason, to protect both the CPU and the VRM. For that reason, they don't plan to add this feature to the bios versions in their normal download area. This is going to be more like a modded bios designed specifically for the XS types. Hopefully Juan Jose from Asus can drop by here and post some more info. He finally made it into XS so give him a thumbs up and a big welcome if he drops by for trying to get this issue fixed.

Count me in!

[lowdog]

I was just contacted by an Asus rep who told me about a bios version that won't be generally released. It has a new feature. The ability to disable Turbo throttling on the Asus P6T Deluxe.
Are there any enthusiasts here that would be interested in getting their hands on something like that?

Here's some of the info I received:

"The attached file is the modified BIOS of P6T Deluxe. It disables the "CPU Turbo Power Limit" when the user manually sets the AI-tuner configuration.
We will not release this BIOS because it may affect the life time of user's motherboard & CPU.
If you still have to provide test BIOS for other models, please let me know."

It looks like Asus does care about their Xtreme customers and all of the complaining has finally paid off. I'll let you guys know when I find out more info. Time to head to EBay first and pick up any P6T Deluxe boards that frustrated Xtreme users are trying to dump.

Update: So far the only new bios available with this feature is for the Asus P6T Deluxe v1. They plan to try and add this feature to a few more of the P6T series.

Turbo throttling is there for a reason, to protect both the CPU and the VRM. For that reason, they don't plan to add this feature to the bios versions in their normal download area. This is going to be more like a modded bios designed specifically for the XS types. Hopefully Juan Jose from Asus can drop by here and post some more info. He finally made it into XS so give him a thumbs up and a big welcome if he drops by for trying to get this issue fixed.

I'll give it a go as well. This could be a result of the emails and contact I recently had with Asus regarding this and all the links I gave them for appropriate threads here on extremesystems forums. I have the P6T-D v1 so YEAAAAAAH.

[Shadowthor]

I will probably give it a shot as well.

[unclewebb]

The first batch of XS testers have been contacted.
Now let's see some results.

[Nocturno]

I also would like to try it

[ben805]

The first batch of XS testers have been contacted.
Now let's see some results.

I would like to test it out....PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE LET ME IN! I don't care about the risk of shortening lifespan of the board or cpu!!

[ben805]

GOOD NEWS!! Initial test shows that the multiplier throttling is eliminated with this modded BIOS, furthermore....I have the V2 board which I cross-flashed to this modded V1 BIOS and it work! no problem so far. Hallelujah!!

Now, with this throttling feature removed and running at full OC speed, I will need to fine tune and bump up the vcore, vtt and possibly other parameters to keep it stable at the intend OC speed, further testing of stability is underway.

unclewebb, you are the man! big thanks to you, and kudo to Asus for listening to the XS community!


Before:



After:

[unclewebb]

4.4 GHz + 1.440 volts + 21.000 Multiplier = Awesome!

[ben805]

On a side note, the BIOS layout is the same as before and I do not see this feature being an option to let the tester turn it on or off at will. It's safe to assume that the throttling is automatically being disable when I set the AI to Manual mode, maybe down the road it can be implemented into a newer revision of this modded BIOS. I cranked up the voltage more just to see if the throttling still stand, so far so good. 1.464v @4.4Ghz and 21x multiplier is sticking....this kicks ass!


Prime95 with new i7turbo 6.1:

[ben805]

FYI, the motherboard temperature is showing 39'C in Everest eventhough all four cores are at 86/86/89/89 loading under Prime95. The VRM/NB/SB heatsink doesn't appear to run any hotter than before but I have good airflow in the case and I'm running the VRM fan that came with the mobo as well, I'll keep an eye on the temperature just incase. With this modded BIOS, I no longer have the desire to try the Gigabyte or Classified mobo.

[unclewebb]

With this modded BIOS, I no longer have the desire to try the Gigabyte or Classified mobo.

I'm sure when the Asus rep drops by and has a look at this forum he won't mind hearing that.

Anyone else interested in picking up a board that performs like ben's board is performing then line up here.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131365

Today, a good board just became a great board.

[devsk]

I hate you uncle! You do this just about when I sell my Asus P6T V2 mobo and get an EVGA X58! Not fair man! You should have done this 3 weeks ago. I hate you man........j/k

But I am already doing 4.4Ghz on my evga...so, I am good...

[wez3570]

When is the likelyhood that this BIOS release will be available to other XS forumites?

[Classic Satch]

My PC froze just as I took my last screenshot. There is nothing that I can display that will top ben805's. Let me just say that NO, there is no thermal throttling. I jacked my vcore to 1.44v and ran 200x21. According to the Turbo proggy, I throttled back within 30 seconds under Intel Burn Test with 1504. With the new BIOS and absolutely identical settings, no throttling whatsoever. However, my PC froze before I could get the screenie.

But, like I said, I couldn't top Ben's screenie anyways. And there is NO separate setting in the BIOS for the thermal throttling. I just disabled the usual CPUTM feature.

[unclewebb]

I hate you uncle! You do this just about when I sell my Asus P6T V2 mobo and get an EVGA X58! Not fair man! You should have done this 3 weeks ago. I hate you man........j/k

This is all Movieman's fault. The Asus rep has been waiting for weeks to get his new XS membership approved so he could contact me. The XS secret society isn't an easy place to get into.

wez3570: You have mail.

According to Juan Jose from Asus,

"It disables the "CPU Turbo Power Limit" when the user manually sets the AI-tuner configuration"

No separate bios option needed. It just works!