New Formula One Overclocking Competition Announced

[dinos22]

how are you going to force a manufacturer to sell a supercherry at retail price
they could just tell you to get stuffed

i reckon if Intel does support this event with their super cherries it should be more even then us using retail cause it's all about how much money someone can throw at it in such instance and some ppl will be able to do a lot more spending then others cough Andre cough haha

but Francois is not interested in this idea so we will have to use retail or whatever parts we can get our hands on

it would be nice if we could all get the same support from Intel and AMD, and i reckon that would make the comp pretty even provided that they dont show favouritism to certain teams or members but too bad you wont see Intel behind it with Francois going 180 degrees on this idea.

[Drwho?]

how are you going to force a manufacturer to sell a supercherry at retail price
they could just tell you to get stuffed

i reckon if Intel does support this event with their super cherries it should be more even then us using retail cause it's all about how much money someone can throw at it in such instance and some ppl will be able to do a lot more spending then others cough Andre cough haha

but Francois is not interested in this idea so we will have to use retail or whatever parts we can get our hands on

it would be nice if we could all get the same support from Intel and AMD, and i reckon that would make the comp pretty even provided that they dont show favouritism to certain teams or members but too bad you wont see Intel behind it with Francois going 180 degrees on this idea.

YOu are right, we are not going to provide Super samples. If an overclocker is good, he will have to prove it on a equal play ground, I am not going to support a ground of priviledge people. I see how AMD would be interested to do this, This is their choice, but it is soooo misleading for the young kids who will not get what he is reading about.
In my case, I rather make sure that more people gets awesome performance on the normal channel and let the kids grow by themselve.
I don't see any reason why a little group of people should decide who will get the good parts, this is unfair.

Let's give a chance to everybody and use a levelled play ground.

Francois

[soundood]

YOu are right, we are not going to provide Super samples. If an overclocker is good, he will have to prove it on a equal play ground, I am not going to support a ground of priviledge people. I see how AMD would be interested to do this, This is their choice, but it is soooo misleading for the young kids who will not get what he is reading about.
In my case, I rather make sure that more people gets awesome performance on the normal channel and let the kids grow by themselve.
I don't see any reason why a little group of people should decide who will get the good parts, this is unfair.

Let's give a chance to everybody and use a levelled play ground.

Francois

i love you Fancious, will you give my wife some babys please?

[dinos22]

jeez you get your knickers in a twist easy heheh

[MACMAC]

In my case, I rather make sure that more people gets awesome performance on the normal channel

If Intel wants overclockers to rely solely on the retail channel for their chips, then would Intel be willing to provide info regarding what batches have the best electrical characteristics for sub-zero overclocking?

That way teams don't have to waste (as much) time & money buying and binning mediocre chips.

You can argue that all chips are different, luck of the draw, etc, but the fact remains that some batches are much better than others.

[T_M]

You can argue that all chips are different, luck of the draw, etc, but the fact remains that some batches are much better than others.

But everyone has equal access to them so no need. If you dont test many chips, who's fault is that?

[MACMAC]

But everyone has equal access to them so no need. If you dont test many chips, who's fault is that?

This would just be a small step towards making it easier for the teams to source their own good chips.

As Dinos mentioned above, not everyone can buy a large number of chips to find a decent one.

[T_M]

The interwebs already documents the good batches

[MACMAC]

The interwebs already documents the good batches

Fair enough, but more detailed info would still benefit everyone.

Do you see a downside to what I'm suggesting?

[massman]

Please go back to the thread of this demo and read, I did this demo to show that it was pointless and to show that I could get one GHz over what you guys could get at this time with Few tricks. The demo by Itself was to demonstrate that Manufacturer demos are pointless. Don't forget the point of the demo. I WAS VERY CLEAR!, please stop ignoring the context.

A pitty you only respond to this remark; the remarks above the one you quoted were more interesting.

YOu are right, we are not going to provide Super samples. If an overclocker is good, he will have to prove it on a equal play ground, I am not going to support a ground of priviledge people. I see how AMD would be interested to do this, This is their choice, but it is soooo misleading for the young kids who will not get what he is reading about.
In my case, I rather make sure that more people gets awesome performance on the normal channel and let the kids grow by themselve.
I don't see any reason why a little group of people should decide who will get the good parts, this is unfair.

Let's give a chance to everybody and use a levelled play ground.

Okay, you're missing two vital points here:

1) This first season is only a testing season, which means that there are a lot of people left out now because of less contact with manufacturers or spotting this idea too late. This F1 league is supposed to become the top league for benchmarking, which means that if people want to compete, they'll have to convince the manufacturers that they deserve a spot on the team. To do so, we already have manufacturer sponsored events and hwbot. Integrate these three types of competition and you have a fair competing ~ one where everybody can compete in

2) Within the F1 competition, there maybe should be a certain level of fairness. Why? To exclude the fact that some people win because they have cherry-picked samples while others have to do with rotten retail samples. That's why so many people would like to see Intel involved in this: much like GOOC, they could provide each team with a set of chips (all with same batch) so that the skill of the overclocker is tested rather than the size of his wallet or the luck he has. No one asks for super samples, everyone asks for at least decent samples (again, like gooc). What purpose does an F1 event have if people are playing with average chips?

By the way, since when are we responsible for the deductions of uninformed people? If I see Ronaldo play with Nike, is he to be blamed if I buy Nike and think I'll be as good as him? Is Lewis Hamilton to blame when I buy a car and expect it to go as fast as F1 cars? No.

(PS: l'egalité, typical french, no? )

[BustaH]

2) Within the F1 competition, there maybe should be a certain level of fairness. Why? To exclude the fact that some people win because they have cherry-picked samples while others have to do with rotten retail samples. That's why so many people would like to see Intel involved in this: much like GOOC, they could provide each team with a set of chips (all with same batch) so that the skill of the overclocker is tested rather than the size of his wallet or the luck he has. No one asks for super samples, everyone asks for at least decent samples (again, like gooc). What purpose does an F1 event have if people are playing with average chips?

I agree with this 100% it will be based on luck rather than judgement if ALL competitors are to rely on getting a good retail chip from retail outlets.

Amd and Intel have the power to provide evenly matched cpus to provide to all entrants in this compo, its as simple as that in my view.
After all the overclocking community has supported AND promoted AMD and INTEL for years off their own backs.

That would go further to provide an even playing field than any other idea I have seen so far. This way no one can say for example 'my cpu is crap' or some other excuse. Also a very big factor the cost of finding a good cpu or two. poll through the entrants list to see how many can even do that?

lets not set this thing up for people to be pre-armed with excuses. we need an even playing field, lets get it on!