New Formula One Overclocking Competition Announced

[k|ngp|n]

One very very very important point and knock-on effect that I dont think anyone either here or on HWB has mentioned.


Who is in a position to dedicate 5 months of their life to overclocking. What will pay their rent/mortgage, put food on the table and pay their 'leccy bill and LN2 bills during this time if they arent working?


* If there is to be an F1, there should be F1 PAY

* If companies arent willing to do this, then the only people who can literally afford to do this are the people so close to the respective company that they get so much hardware, they can sell it on to make enough money to keep them alive, or they are officially on the payroll of the company..

Which essentially makes this a competition for the employees of the performance department of a company



Maybe its time for overclockers to stop being free/very cheap PR for companies

LOL, actually I meant to say I will dedicate 99% of my FREE time to this . If I did that alot of people would be pretty unhappy with me for that 5 months. I would put just as much into this comp as I put into my regular everyday overclocking, this isn't really anything that different for me except I really dont want to spend that much time on superpi
LN2 budget would be fantastic.

[k|ngp|n]

It would be a dream come true for me to see it happen, but working in such companies for 2 years or so, I think it will only happen if the CEO is an overclocker. That's what I wanted to see through with the Quantum Force Schoilarship idea but it is so hard to justify to people who are in control of the budget. Especially when it comes to cold hard cash, you will get QUESTIONED big time. For these people, they look for pictures from a big event, lots of people, tonne of marketing materials hanging on walls, coverage on tonnes of websites, then they say "Wow, great marketing effort!"
A screenshot of 200,000 3D Mark 01 means nothing to them, and to ask for money to do this, everyone will look at you with a fishy attitude. Even when I have to send out some hardware, I have to go through all sorts of crap, that's why I back down from this side of things already.

Didn't even see you post buddy Too bad they wouldn't allow what we will attempt this week in this comp eh man?? ...See you wednesday bro.

[eva2000]

i cant dedicate the time KP is saying he can but that should not stop me and james competing

this would have to be crazy good paying job for me to quit and do this full time thats for sure

i dont think it is realistic to expect ppl to be able to bench every day or with 70-80+ % of free time

A lot of guys have demanding jobs and family life. This is nowhere near F1 where professional sportsman who get paid astronomical amount of money to dedicate their life to this imo

Yeah i agree with dino, if we didn't have to work to put food on the table for family etc and were paid full time to do this, it would be awesome

Unfortunately, in this current financial climate I doubt we be seeing this anytime soon. And with raising unemployment levels worldwide, more folks will potentially be out of work or hanging onto their existing jobs by a thin thread - so maybe only those who are financially secure will be able to tough it out for 2x 5 = 10+ months.

Then again who knows how much manufacturers are willing to put in, with manufacturers competing against each other for the winning stakes to best each other

You only get out as much as you put in - time/effort or financially wise for both oc'ers and manufacturers participating in such an event

[The_Overclocker]

The logical path for all this (hopefully) is that come season two, three, five, whatever all competitors can get paid by sponsors to compete. Each team will be paid money by PSU supplier, RAM supplier etc etc. There would be entry fees to compete in the competition, there would be BIG prize money, and you'd see advertising for it everywhere.

Prospective 'drivers' could continue to make a name for themselves in existing HWBot leagues (which will swell in numbers due to the publicity of F1) and live comps etc.

My dream is to have some eccentric millionaire offer Vince and someone a stupid amount of money to drive for their own 'vanity' team full-time. Maybe newegg or godaddy or something like that - just to get the exposure.

But we've got to start somewhere!

I'll wake up now. But why the hell not??

[orangekiwii]

b/c...

most of the population is too stupid to no what overclocking even means... or what is actually inside a computer...

my friend bought the larger xbox 360 (the 120gb hd or however large it is) because it was faster than the 20 gb one...

he honestly believed it... i mean most people don't even know the difference between ram, and hard drive space... they don't even care how fast the system is because they don't do anything on it anyway...

[HitandRun]

b/c...

most of the population is too stupid to no what overclocking even means... or what is actually inside a computer...

my friend bought the larger xbox 360 (the 120gb hd or however large it is) because it was faster than the 20 gb one...

he honestly believed it... i mean most people don't even know the difference between ram, and hard drive space... they don't even care how fast the system is because they don't do anything on it anyway...

Yeah but there is also people pushing the mouse button and when the window doesn’t open quick enough they start wonder if this can be made quicker. After a while the have Vince’s pot on it and cranking sub-zero temps. I think OCing has become more mainstream and more and more people are getting exposed to all of this.

[massman]

this would have to be crazy good paying job for me to quit and do this full time thats for sure.

Really? I could live with a salary that gives me the possibility to pay the house, food and at least some comfort each month. Other than that ... I'd just love pushing the free gear to its limits .

This opinion will most definitly change when I have a family to support. Most definitly as in 100% sure.

@K|ngp|n: Daaaaamn ... you're super-enthousiastic

[Charles Wirth]

Starts getting very very tricky to manage. Plus Intel refuse to do super-binning anymore. Which is good. They've got their regular team of 35 but that's it. And they've more important things to do!

I have new cherry binned parts that will be here next week, who told you that Intel refuses?

Ask Intel to not send out samples to reviewers, regions, and manufactures while you are at it.

Dont just block people from getting seeded, they worked hard to make the contacts.

[Russian]

b/c...

most of the population is too stupid to no what overclocking even means... or what is actually inside a computer...

my friend bought the larger xbox 360 (the 120gb hd or however large it is) because it was faster than the 20 gb one...

he honestly believed it... i mean most people don't even know the difference between ram, and hard drive space... they don't even care how fast the system is because they don't do anything on it anyway...

Yes, but you've never seen how interested average joe's are in watching LN2 benching. Back at the GOOC N.A. Finals there were plenty of average joes walking by who had no idea what overclocking was, but were very interested and stayed around.

Overall, this sounds like a great idea and i'd definitely be interested in seeing it happen.

[saaya]

you have probally hit this on the head, its not a compettion, its a PR stunt

Intel should get on board, or maybe they are not for that very reason?

well its both... just like F1...

buckeye... i dont think we should worry about money as of now...
thats only going to slow things down... once its going, people will get paid, im sure about that... teamX wins the first championship, after that everybody wants teamX and will basically bid for it...

but you cant ask intel to pay teamX 5 million us$ for a competition that has never been done before, and nobody knows how sucessful itll be or if itll be sucessful at all... not to mention theyve never seen how well teamX does in such a competition.

there are countless top teams that failed in competitions cause you need a diferent strategy... its not longer about benching for weekends or several weeks until you finally get that lucky run with all hw maxed out...

vince, dont you think it should be ok for people or teams to only enter one or a few competitions and not all... they wont win the final big finale that way, but that way small teams and invididuals have a chance to show what they can do, that they just dont have the time or financial support to basically race every track around the globe... know what i mean?
if a guy is really good but hes busy with work, he cant devote that much time and compete in every round, but he can at least pick a race and win it and hope to get attention from one of the big sponsors who might support him for the next years round...

anyways, we can always think about the details later, for no i think the overclocker deserves all our support to get this started!
once its rolling we can still adjust the direction its actuallry rolling into

It would be a dream come true for me to see it happen, but working in such companies for 2 years or so, I think it will only happen if the CEO is an overclocker.

in an ideal world maybe, but the fact is that 90% of the ceos have no clue whats really going on in their company or they only know the basics and spend most of their time thinking on how to make more money...
i think the only support we need to get golden chips to an F1 style event is marketing and maybe product managing... marketing will give this a go, no doubts about it, unless they are idi0ts cause at this point supporting the event costs them nearly nothing...
then again, in my experience most marketing people dont really know what they are doing, so we need some good luck here
product managers might not want it cause they dont see a direct benefit for themselves... but im sure at least amd will support this.
after they killed the FX line in the worst possible way, which used to be their strongest pr product, they now seem to wake up and spend more time and efforts on highend and marketing products again.

That's what I wanted to see through with the Quantum Force Schoilarship idea but it is so hard to justify to people who are in control of the budget. Especially when it comes to cold hard cash, you will get QUESTIONED big time. For these people, they look for pictures from a big event, lots of people, tonne of marketing materials hanging on walls, coverage on tonnes of websites, then they say "Wow, great marketing effort!"
A screenshot of 200,000 3D Mark 01 means nothing to them, and to ask for money to do this, everyone will look at you with a fishy attitude. Even when I have to send out some hardware, I have to go through all sorts of crap, that's why I back down from this side of things already.

the problem with this, at least in my opinion, was rather that foxconn doesnt have a real marketing department, and the ones that do work for marketing at foxconn either dont know what they are doing or are like a leaf in the wind, trying to keep low and not make a mistake rather than trying to stand out, but in a positive way... then again thats a company and possibly regional specific attitude... i think if you got smart enough marketing people who actually know about the market they are supposed to create some attention in, they will know how big of a chance this is, especially if they jump in early and support it from the start when its almost free for them...

The logical path for all this (hopefully) is that come season two, three, five, whatever all competitors can get paid by sponsors to compete. Each team will be paid money by PSU supplier, RAM supplier etc etc. There would be entry fees to compete in the competition, there would be BIG prize money, and you'd see advertising for it everywhere.

Prospective 'drivers' could continue to make a name for themselves in existing HWBot leagues (which will swell in numbers due to the publicity of F1) and live comps etc.

My dream is to have some eccentric millionaire offer Vince and someone a stupid amount of money to drive for their own 'vanity' team full-time. Maybe newegg or godaddy or something like that - just to get the exposure.

But we've got to start somewhere!

I'll wake up now. But why the hell not??

very well said... totally agree, if theres anything i can do to help, let me know...

Dont just block people from getting seeded, they worked hard to make the contacts.

easy
i dont think he wanted to cut of yours or anybody elses supply...
and yes, while i actually dont like golden chips seeded for pr purposes, at least not the way its going on now, all you critics out there have to realize that its nothing you should blame the people for that use that hardware...

the responsability for seeding those golden hardware parts lies at the makers of the hardware who seeds it, not the ones who use them.

[Buckeye]

Hey there Saaya and thanks for the post

Like Vince I can give 99% of my time and pretty much bench everyday. LN2 is a big problem out here where I live as it's not easy to get a break on costs and having delivery to my home is a problem for big Dewars. Thats ok tho as I use Cascade to tune and if need to go colder I can use my smaller Dewar.

Not everyone can do that tho with work & families, or should they be expected/required to give that much time ?

I am sure all this will get ironed out before anything even starts and the people picked for this first season will know what is required/expected of them.

As this is a 5 month long event what would happen if a person who is on a team needs to drop out for some reason, how will backup benchers be handled ?

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

I suggested this like 3 pages back but:

each team should have 1 alternate that they are allowed to sub in, but only before an event not during

[Buckeye]

I suggested this like 3 pages back but:

each team should have 1 alternate that they are allowed to sub in, but only before an event not during

Thanks Sniipe, its a long thread and didn't notice that comment

[chew*]

My 2c on this is I see the same guys benching the same hardware that they have been benching all along....

Nothings changed...

Be curious how many of these so called parts will be snuck into mainstream benching as not everyone has morals......

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

Thanks Sniipe, its a long thread and didn't notice that comment

I dont think anyone else did either but it is most definitely a necessity for this to be a successful league.... so i figured I would point it out again

[HitandRun]

My 2c on this is I see the same guys benching the same hardware that they have been benching all along....

Nothings changed...

Be curious how many of these so called parts will be snuck into mainstream benching as not everyone has morals......

I imagine these parts all will end up on there. I mean they will have the best of the best for free so why hide it.

[saaya]

Be curious how many of these so called parts will be snuck into mainstream benching as not everyone has morals......

yes, thats what im worried about as well...
we need to keep the handpicked stuff out of the normal hobby scene where its causing a lot of damage to the community right now... hut how?

the best ans easiest way would be to mark the parts and give them a diferent product name/string that cant be changed/flashed...

[k|ngp|n]

The logical path for all this (hopefully) is that come season two, three, five, whatever all competitors can get paid by sponsors to compete. Each team will be paid money by PSU supplier, RAM supplier etc etc. There would be entry fees to compete in the competition, there would be BIG prize money, and you'd see advertising for it everywhere.

Prospective 'drivers' could continue to make a name for themselves in existing HWBot leagues (which will swell in numbers due to the publicity of F1) and live comps etc.

My dream is to have some eccentric millionaire offer Vince and someone a stupid amount of money to drive for their own 'vanity' team full-time. Maybe newegg or godaddy or something like that - just to get the exposure.

But we've got to start somewhere!

I'll wake up now. But why the hell not??

Now your talking!

Really? I could live with a salary that gives me the possibility to pay the house, food and at least some comfort each month. Other than that ... I'd just love pushing the free gear to its limits .

This opinion will most definitly change when I have a family to support. Most definitly as in 100% sure.

@K|ngp|n: Daaaaamn ... you're super-enthousiastic

Too much redbull yesterday + a bit of early head games

I understand totally that for most this really still is mainly a hobby and there are jobs and personal family stuff that must take priority. Kudos to alot of guys for being able to juggle it all.
We can't let that hold back the evolution of something like this into more of a dedicated "profesional" realm though. More marketing $$, more PR, more hype all equals bigger scale in the long run and makes overclocking more appealing to mainstream pc users first, then mainstream culture ultimately. You have to think HUGE, even though it may take some time for it to get there, especially considering the poor economic climate worldwide. If you look at any autosport or extreme sport, thats totally what its about is the marketing for the companies

[Trouffman]

Interesting idea... I'm following that but rules need to be clear of course and everyone need to agree first with it before any entrance in the comp.

Anyway, for the others 'teams' to be involved in the league that can com from any brand-oc event OR regular oc event / comps in every country. I don't know everything about the other countries but in france, we organise each year a 'french competition', accessible to anyone etc. of course those guys can't acces directly to the F1OC league BUT can be a way to select them.

@ Nick let me know if you need any help I'm in !

[[XC] gomeler]

My 2c on this is I see the same guys benching the same hardware that they have been benching all along....

Nothings changed...

Be curious how many of these so called parts will be snuck into mainstream benching as not everyone has morals......

This is easy.. parts burned in from the factory with a unique CPU string. Mentioned this before

[geo]

instead of F! kinda stuff why not world cup kinda competition (countries and companies) and get it all over in a month

[[XC] gomeler]

Alerted Simon from AMD about this event. Maybe we'll have a CPU sponsor, maybe not

[Philly_Boy]

I am pretty psyched to watch this competition unfold! It will be nice to see most of the top guys really throw down. I usually learn a lot just watching this sort of thing unfold. Like Vince said in an earlier post I am one of those guys who has a demanding career, a f/t romantic involvement and kids to hang out with (on their terms of course they're all teenagers). So this is really a hobby for me altho I wish I had the time and finances to stay competitive.

What I think everyone is missing is that these top guys have the methodology down to a science. When something goes wrong they figure it out. I am gonna love the threads that result from this. I'll be learning all about Pi, getting high fsb, 3D06 and Vantage just from watching these guys really push their stuff to the max! Maybe I get to learn enough that in a few seasons I can go compete in a race or two and see how I fare....

I applaud The Overclocker for thinking this up and having the drive to implement it.

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

Alerted Simon from AMD about this event. Maybe we'll have a CPU sponsor, maybe not

you can always get VIA

[Fr3ak]

All this sounds exciting, but I still cant see how it is supposed to work.

1 month per benchmark, ok, I got that.

Will every team member bench on its own during that time and the best result counts?

Who makes sure, only allowed hardware has been used?

Who makes sure, no dodgy tweaks/cheats have been used?

If you want to make it F1 style, there shouldnt be any limitations. That way, Intel could provide cherry picked CPUs, board manufacturers could try to make their boards faster or better for overclocking, prototype style etc pp. While I can see that concept working for manufacturer teams, "private" teams are at a disadvantage.

Promotion is also a key factor for making this event a success. Independently of who will take part, a detailed concept might come in handy