BOINC credit/points explained

[WrigleyVillain]

Yeah the WCG stats seem to update at around 6PM and 4AM as far as I can tell. This is CST.

[Hymay]

So.. a higher clocked/higher benched system claims Less per wu than a slower system. Does this mean that to compensate.. we might bench at stock speeds, and then OC and run the wu's? to have slightly higher claims.. and increase the averages? Or is there an automatic rebench that occurs every now and then?
Really seems odd that a faster machine would claim less for an equal wu.

[crazyea]

My Accumulated Points: 24,623, according to the WCG websie. Most of these points/credits have been granted/validated for days now.

My sig, which is updated everyday only shows around 3200. Why is this?



EDIT: Nevermind. Classic points system correct?

[Movieman]

My Accumulated Points: 24,623, according to the WCG websie. Most of these points/credits have been granted/validated for days now.

My sig, which is updated everyday only shows around 3200. Why is this?

I think your sig is showing "BOINC" points while the site is showing WCG points.
WCG points are app 7 times BOINC points.
AS to why the 2 systems, it's due to WCG running at the start of the program on another app other than BOINC.
Don't worry, you get all thats coming to you!
I think maybe 20 people have asked this question over the last year.
When we talk points here it's generally WCG points IE a Q6600 does app 15,000-18,000 WCG points a day.
WCG updates at 7am and 7pm Eastern Daylight Savings time. It's 1PM now on the east coast if that helps.

[crazyea]

lol. beat ya to it.

ok, but how do i set up my sig to show this? i see a lot of people have both. i can on another sig site, but not free-dc. always shows blank once i choose a team. lol

EDIT: free-dc shows all zero's on FIREFOX for some reason, but seems to work fine on IE.

[Movieman]

lol. beat ya to it.

ok, but how do i set up my sig to show this? i see a lot of people have both. i can on another sig site, but not free-dc. always shows blank once i choose a team. lol

I can't help with that part, never got into the Free-DC sig but one of the guys here will know how.
You sig is flashing both now..and seti..

[crazyea]

yeah, i found a different sig site by looking at others sigs on this forum. it doesn't show ranks though. oh well. it'll have to do. thanks!


now for a title!

[sierra_bound]

WCG is in the process of switching over entirely to BOINC. So far, about 84% of machines now use BOINC. At some point in the future, you'll be able to run projects only on BOINC. It's still unclear how this will affect the current WCG scoring system. WCG could convert everything into BOINC points, or they could continue using the current scoring method.

[123bob]

OK, this topic came up recently and I certainly think this thread was great. So, on that note, BUMP!

Bob

[AMD LOving man]

To revive an ancient topic . Now WCG is totally running BOINC and I have joined after their migration to BOINC. But there is one thing that irritates me - I have been crunching WCG 2+ years on multiple computers and I have ~7M points. the point is that when converted to BOINC credits it is only ~1M. When connected the GPUGRID for ~20 packages I am already 160K credits. I know the GPUs are much faster, etc but the question is why WCG is giving so little BOINC credits? Why the 7:1 ratio? With a GPU I can match 2+ year crunching in WCG in 1 month ? I am crunching for different reasons but it can be annoying that I am getting so little BOINC credit

[Sparky]

Really can't compare work done between projects, even though they both might use BOINC.

As far as the scoring, I think it might be a little bit arbitrary

And for what it's worth my 7950 on WCG totally kills anything else prior. Heck I'm pretty sure that my single GPU is outproducing what one of our biggest contributors used to do with an entire room full of systems.

[D_A]

BOINC credit is based on what's called "cobblestones" and is a measure of the amount of computing effort expended by a given system. The approx 7:1 ratio of WCG to BOINC is due to the difference in credit systems between the original UD client and how BOINC awards credit. On top of this some projects artificially pump their awarded credit to attract crunchers from other projects.
GPU and CPU really shouldn't be compared. GPUs are massively parallel and can do far more calcs in a given time than a CPU, so asking why an hour on one isn't the same as an hour on the other isn't a fair question at all.

[AMD LOving man]

BOINC credit is based on what's called "cobblestones" and is a measure of the amount of computing effort expended by a given system. The approx 7:1 ratio of WCG to BOINC is due to the difference in credit systems between the original UD client and how BOINC awards credit. On top of this some projects artificially pump their awarded credit to attract crunchers from other projects.
GPU and CPU really shouldn't be compared. GPUs are massively parallel and can do far more calcs in a given time than a CPU, so asking why an hour on one isn't the same as an hour on the other isn't a fair question at all.

Please don't get me wrong. I am not comparing CPU and GPU results.
My point is: in GPUGRID with GTX650TI I am making ~6000 BOINC credits. In WCG with all of the bellow:
- 1 dual core (HT) ~2.3 GHz (70% BOINC dedicate)
- 1 quad core (HT) ~2 GHz (60% BOINC dedicate)
- 1 quad core 4.7GHz (HT) (90% BOINC dedicate)
- the same GTX650TI (90% BOINC dedicate)

I am getting ~1000 BOINC credits!!!!!!

This basically doesn't seem fair. I was thinking that the BOINC scores are more unified but obviously aren't. At least WCG says how they calculate their points, and I haven't found the same for BOINC credits.

Anyway I will be crunching for WCG as I like their projects, but I think they are discouraging the people who are crunching for the points.

[D_A]

This Q6600, running 64bit Linux 100% load 24/7, is pulling over 3400 BOINC credits per day. No GPUs, no overclocking, no fiddling at all.

If that combination of yours is only pulling 1000 then we need to have a good hard look at your configuration because it's obviously not optimal and I'd be inclined to say that GPU isn't being used at all.

[werdwerdus]

GPUGrid gives a 50% bonus for work units reported within 24 hours of being downloaded and 25% for 48 hours. So no good to compare.

[AMD LOving man]

This Q6600, running 64bit Linux 100% load 24/7, is pulling over 3400 BOINC credits per day. No GPUs, no overclocking, no fiddling at all.

If that combination of yours is only pulling 1000 then we need to have a good hard look at your configuration because it's obviously not optimal and I'd be inclined to say that GPU isn't being used at all.

Hi, thanks for pointing out the problem. Appears that I was checking the average scores and not the daily scores. So with all of the above at full throttle I can get more than 10000 BOINC credits per day . I also checked one of the laptops and it looks like the fan was totally clogged and the CPU was working at only ~1GHz
So the situation is not that bad after all. Thanks for the help.