CeBIT: Corsair raids the chassis market: competitors beware?

[DragoonXX]

How many drives are you going to be using? 6 bays, 4 of which are hotswap

[ChaosMinionX]

Not to me they're not. I'm not interested in water cooling. I base my purchasing decisions on personal criteria.

I was saying it based on you posting that the price of the canyon might go lower with this case coming to market, and pointing out that from a manufacturer standpoint it would make no sense for the price of the Canyon to come down with the release of a fullATX case meant for liquid cooling would lower the price of a mid size case meant for air cooling.

Its like saying Ferrari is going to lower its car prices because Ford lowered theirs.

[miptzi]

I say Canyon will not go down........
that's a shame, but.....

[kaskuli]

I was saying it based on you posting that the price of the canyon might go lower with this case coming to market, and pointing out that from a manufacturer standpoint it would make no sense for the price of the Canyon to come down with the release of a fullATX case meant for liquid cooling would lower the price of a mid size case meant for air cooling.

Its like saying Ferrari is going to lower its car prices because Ford lowered theirs.

No need for the condescending tone. I understand the way you see things and respectfully disagree. Regardless of the amount of quality the ABS Canyon has, its price is still inflated... I bought a brand new Nikon D200 Body for $599... I think the car comparison is epic fail. Ford? Come on... The 800D is not a direct rival to the canyon, but it might convince potential buyers of the Canyon like myself to think twice - since it retails for about 200% of the price. Is the Canyon twice the case the 800D is?

[prava]

Dumb question: ABS Canyon = lili Tyr X2000?

[Cliff Burton]

Dumb question: ABS Canyon = lili Tyr X2000?

Yep, rebranded basically.

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

Dumb question: ABS Canyon = lili Tyr X2000?

I asked my contact at lian-li this question and he told me that ABS bought all the rights to sell the TYR-X2000 in north america, so there is really no chance of getting the lian-li branded version and there is most certainly no difference between the two.

[ChaosMinionX]

No need for the condescending tone. I understand the way you see things and respectfully disagree. Regardless of the amount of quality the ABS Canyon has, its price is still inflated... I bought a brand new Nikon D200 Body for $599... I think the car comparison is epic fail. Ford? Come on... The 800D is not a direct rival to the canyon, but it might convince potential buyers of the Canyon like myself to think twice - since it retails for about 200% of the price. Is the Canyon twice the case the 800D is?

Car comparison did not necessarily have any direct relation to the quality comparison of the 800D and Canyon. It just popped into my head first.

[Brandito]

soooo, Red Beard has gone awful quiet on us...

[prava]

Yep, rebranded basically.

I asked my contact at lian-li this question and he told me that ABS bought all the rights to sell the TYR-X2000 in north america, so there is really no chance of getting the lian-li branded version and there is most certainly no difference between the two.

Ok, I was looking for info in google about the ABS and I was like WTF I thought I saw this into the Lili website too

[Redbeard]

soooo, Red Beard has gone awful quiet on us...

Sorry guys I'm out on medical leave for about a week. Just saw this in one of my bouts of clarity.

[LuckyNV]

nice video interview from Hexus here
http://tv.hexus.net/show/2009/06/COM..._with_Corsair/
Also a new mid-range chassis on its way by Xmas period (no other details)

ps Hope you get better soon Redbeard

[Monkeypillow]

Sorry guys I'm out on medical leave for about a week. Just saw this in one of my bouts of clarity.

The case looks great. I'm really impressed with the thing -- even more so considering it's a first effort. Unfortunately, it doesn't suit my needs this time around, but I'm keeping it in mind for an upcoming build. I'll be sure to recommend the case to friends as well.

Feel better, man.

[Brandito]

Sorry guys I'm out on medical leave for about a week. Just saw this in one of my bouts of clarity.

That sucks to hear, get better man, best wishes!

[Frananta]

hey,... how about joining this two into one single hole??

[Brandito]

if they did that they'd have to have a new grommet manufactured to fit the non standard hole which would likely cost them more money for little extra benefit.

i can see why it'd make sense to be one hole, it's really obvious why, but it's more obvious to me why it's not. the majority of the grommets look interchangeable, 2 main sizes, this likely decreases cost and complexity in assembly and manufacturing.

it also could be that there's an added structural benefit to having the two openings divided in the middle.

doesn't seem like you'd really NEED one large opening, in fact i think it could be argued that 2 openings is better.

i don't know corsairs reasoning, but i'm guessing it's along those lines.

[YMAA]

doesn't seem like you'd really NEED one large opening, in fact i think it could be argued that 2 openings is better.

I don't think making those two grommets into one large one will make the case any less structurally sound - it's made of steel and there's plenty of other tricks they've used to make it sturdier.

Making it one large grommet has the advantage of making it universal to all motherboards, so no matter where the connectors are it'll be compatible. Actually, it might be cool to have one huge grommet the height of the motherboard so that any and all connectors can go through there.

[Frananta]

Oh I forgot that RIIE is a little bit extended...

And, yes my thought is, it would be sucks to plug two uppermost sata port on that board

[Brandito]

I don't think making those two grommets into one large one will make the case any less structurally sound - it's made of steel and there's plenty of other tricks they've used to make it sturdier.

Making it one large grommet has the advantage of making it universal to all motherboards, so no matter where the connectors are it'll be compatible. Actually, it might be cool to have one huge grommet the height of the motherboard so that any and all connectors can go through there.

you didn't mention the biggest reason, cost!

like i said, using one large grommet means you now need 3 different sized grommets manufactured.

really i don't see what additional functionality one large grommet might add. you might get a tad more flexibility with where the cable route, but it's hardly worth the extra manufacturing cost.

i just don't see a situation where one larger grommet would be all that much more beneficial.

i can sort of see an argument for aesthetics, but even that can be subjective (i like the current design with 2 smaller grommets)

either way i'm sure that aspect is not going to be changed in the final case, and i think the vast majority of buyers will be fine with that.

as i see it you lose no real functionality by NOT using one large grommet. that little 0.5-1" space between the grommets just isn't going to make a difference. i can't think of a cable in a pc that is wide enough to be bothered by it.

edit: maaaaaaybe ide ribbon cables, but if you're still using those, a 300 dollar case might not be your best NEXT upgrade.

[YMAA]

you didn't mention the biggest reason, cost!

like i said, using one large grommet means you now need 3 different sized grommets manufactured.

really i don't see what additional functionality one large grommet might add. you might get a tad more flexibility with where the cable route, but it's hardly worth the extra manufacturing cost.

Ah, so you're a Corsair employee working on this case? Wait, you aren't? Oh, so you don't know what the official reason for not designing it that way is?

It's entirely possible that cost isn't the reason that hasn't been done yet. Likely, in fact. But until you get word from a Corsair rep that it would in fact be too expensive for them to do the grommets that way don't put words in their mouths. And I'd be willing to bet that for a case this expensive a few cents here or there for a larger hole and grommet won't increase the price by a whole lot.

[Brandito]

Ah, so you're a Corsair employee working on this case? Wait, you aren't? Oh, so you don't know what the official reason for not designing it that way is?

It's entirely possible that cost isn't the reason that hasn't been done yet. Likely, in fact. But until you get word from a Corsair rep that it would in fact be too expensive for them to do the grommets that way don't put words in their mouths. And I'd be willing to bet that for a case this expensive a few cents here or there for a larger hole and grommet won't increase the price by a whole lot.

i already said i don't know the official reason. doesn't mean it doesn't sound like the most obvious one. a few cents for a mass production can add up.

again i don't know how the cases are assembled or the parts made, but my guess is they're not off the shelf parts as a whole. my guess is they'd have to retool the machine to make the new longer grommets, retool the machine that makes the mobo tray, there might even be changes made to assembly that cost money. so it's really more than just a few cents for the extra material. that cost has to go somewhere. AGAIN, this is my speculation, and my speculation only. i think it's reasonably accurate, but i build houses, not computers.

your speculation is it won't cost much more, i disagreed, i hardly see any reason to go on the offensive.

i bet we can both agree it'll be a great case regardless of hat one minor detail

[DragoonXX]

I asked my contact at lian-li this question and he told me that ABS bought all the rights to sell the TYR-X2000 in north america, so there is really no chance of getting the lian-li branded version and there is most certainly no difference between the two.

btw...NCIX has the X2000 on order, so maybe the canyon in the us but...

anyways, I'm still going to wait out on official reviews, I dont need a case, nor would I have room for it in my current layout even if I did, but if i ever found a place to use one, I probably would

[YMAA]

i bet we can both agree it'll be a great case regardless of hat one minor detail

Definitely. I don't need the temptation to spend any more money though, I bought my TJ09 hoping it would last more than a year, but I don't know how long that plan will hold up...I'm thinking I want a better case for water

[Manicdan]

i hope they have a side panel with a super large window, id almost want to leave the side panel off just show off every last detail

[Brandito]

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