What makes a computer a MDPC??

[SamHughe]

Oh! And I thought to be featured in MDPC site, you have to purchase a MurderMod case or have your case modded by them. Feel little bit embarassed now.

[virtualrain]

Great thread/debate!

It's not surprising this is such a difficult thing to define... I think of MDPC as art...

The nature of art has been described by Richard Wollheim as "one of the most elusive of the traditional problems of human culture"

The most common usage of the word "art," which rose to prominence after 1750, is understood to denote skill used to produce an aesthetic result.

The only thing I would add to the above is patience. Perhaps the most difficult aspect of building a rig that some might consider a work of art is the time and patience involved. Who doesn't just want to slap all their parts together and get gaming?! I wouldn't be surprised if most MDPC's represent hundreds of hours invested. That was the toughest aspect for me... not loosing sight of my end objective and taking short cuts in the interest of just getting it done.

At any rate, I am truly humbled by the rigs on MDPC... There are some truly amazing works of art there!

[ILikeCosmosS]

Being inspired by all the systems on MDPC, I started dreaming about building one, though I know that it can hardly be possible.

I know that building a MDPC takes lots of dedication and you have to pour out your heart in order to make it perfect

but does building the MDPC need MONEY and SKILLS?

The reason why MDPC is the fiction for me is

- I'm only 14 years old, and I had NEVER built a computer before, but still, I know about computer BECAUSE of XS and all the forummates
- Parents? "Who cares? A computer is something that is a tool, it just needs to be functional, it not a piece of art!"
- Unlimited budget? You've got to be kidding! "It's got to be below 800 dollars!"
- Me? I can't mod. I can't paint, I don't have the money to paint, I don't have the tools, I don't have ANYTHING to mod, but I can only learn.
- Time? I've got summer program, educational camp, violin lesson, high school preparation....

So will it be possible for a person like me to make an MDPC? For me, I think it is possible, but hardly

Still, I have the dedication and heart for it, I know that I can do it someday and I WILL make one someday

+1 i am exactly like you
i dont think you would have hard time modding, as everyone else said patience is the key to any MDPC

[Blacky]

Time (even if takes months), a good camera and photo shooting skills, the time and effort you put on your project is what the final product would look imo.

[lkiller123]

+1 i am exactly like you
i dont think you would have hard time modding, as everyone else said patience is the key to any MDPC

I don't have the tools And sleeving is too much of a risk I can take. I can't afford to screw up the PSU

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

I completely agree about the patience thing. I tend to not have it but I also have the ability to focus on something I am interested in. I literally didn't leave my house except to go to the hardware store for 2 weeks straight to finish my rig. Thank god it was winter I didnt want to go out in the first place

[lkiller123]

Sniipe, how long does sleeving take and, well, is it hard to sleeve? I mean from a 14-year-old perspective

[Aielman]

It's not that hard. It just takes patience, the ability to measure, the willingness to keep at it, and did I mention patience?

[shazza]

originally posted by virtualrain ... At any rate, I am truly humbled by the rigs on MDPC... There are some truly amazing works of art there!...

True, but you know that yours is a favorite of many of us ...you did such a wonderful job and have shown that a cube case can be more than just a box with lots of stuff in it!

[3Z3VH]

I don't have the tools And sleeving is too much of a risk I can take. I can't afford to screw up the PSU

This is another example of the patience required. You can sleeve it with NO risk... just unplug one wire, sleeve it, and plug it back in, then unplug the next. You will not be able to get a wire in the wrong hole that way.

[Entropicity]

Who needs tools? 2 staples are all you need

I did all my sleeving with one roll of staples, abeit over a few weekends.

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

Sniipe, how long does sleeving take and, well, is it hard to sleeve? I mean from a 14-year-old perspective

I sleeved my entire HX 1000 in one weekend.... sat in a chair and even slept there for a little under 72 hours never trying to to do that in one weekend again.

my sleeving was especially hard though because of the method I used with non-expandable sleeve that barely fit over the wire and got snagged all the time

[kinghong1970]

massochists...

[dualbrain]

Great thread/debate!

It's not surprising this is such a difficult thing to define... I think of MDPC as art...





The only thing I would add to the above is patience. Perhaps the most difficult aspect of building a rig that some might consider a work of art is the time and patience involved. Who doesn't just want to slap all their parts together and get gaming?! I wouldn't be surprised if most MDPC's represent hundreds of hours invested. That was the toughest aspect for me... not loosing sight of my end objective and taking short cuts in the interest of just getting it done.

At any rate, I am truly humbled by the rigs on MDPC... There are some truly amazing works of art there!

Your rig was ahead of its time and the best example that a packed system can be executed beautifully. The horizontal mod was really cool. In the end, the art was to create something that looked "not modded". Very cool to look back to one of the milestones when it comes to "harmonic aesthetics in a packed system".

[virtualrain]

Thanks! It's a very rewarding hobby. Hats off to MDPC for the great gallery site... your site is inspiring and likely more influential on modders than you realize!

[soundood]

i think the question was asked 'what is Art'

for me Art is something that serves no other purpose than to be itself, if a picture or canvas, then that is what it is, it does not dispense cola on the side.

it can be ugly or lovely, but that is opinion, but it must remain true to itself in what it is.

although these cases are indeed beyond reproach in style and ingenius design, they can never be 'Art'

this is Art, as far as i am concerned,


this sitting in your modern living room, doing nothing other than being there, is Art to me, and also makes a very bold statement.

this on the other hand, looks fantastic, but its a computer,therefore can never be Art, although artistically done.



but this is an area that is open to debate also, but for the purists like me, there is no debate

[dualbrain]

New art coming up this weekend
And I promise: Ahead of its time (built in 2007, rebuild now) and full of inspiration. Especially a joy for all who like completely self constructed cases and self constructed ...



A world premiere again

[soundood]

New art coming up this weekend
And I promise: Ahead of its time (built in 2007, rebuild now) and full of inspiration. Especially a joy for all who like completely self constructed cases and self constructed ...



A world premiere again

sounds very exciting, i love original builds, sort of ploughs the way for mainstream, ohh and the art thing,

did i mention art?

[dualbrain]

There is one rule when it comes to MDPC and it was broken one time
"It has to be beautiful from the outside AND inside (yes you need to see that it's a computer)". Because if you wouldn't see the inside, then it would end up as a furniture or sculpture design gallery

Therefore it can be an art-computer, but never be pure-art, because art would have no purpose except having a look or a message. Btw. I love art, but since I need a computer, I focus on computer-art

[illidan]

uniqueness

[3Z3VH]

i think the question was asked 'what is Art'

for me Art is something that serves no other purpose than to be itself, if a picture or canvas, then that is what it is, it does not dispense cola on the side.

it can be ugly or lovely, but that is opinion, but it must remain true to itself in what it is.

although these cases are indeed beyond reproach in style and ingenius design, they can never be 'Art'
...

I highly disagree. There is a guy here in Colorado Springs that is a Welder, who makes 20 foot tall metal sculptures... that are also wind vanes. They have a purpose, other than to just sit there, yet their primary intention is something pleasing to the eye. He also did one sculpture that just looking at it, you would think it was just a giant motorized piece of art, but it is actually two clock hands on a giant spire, with no clock face behind them... it serves the purpose of telling time, yet it is also art.

There is also the work of Frank Lloyd Wright... I would consider the majority of the buildings he designed to be art, yet they also serve a greater purpose of a place to live/work/whatever. How about ancient Greece ? Were their buildings not art ?

[GregSG]

I'm curious as to the part bout innovation and creativity.

Does it mean one would have to ensure that his design is unlike all the other MDPCs?

Would it be possible to merge different existing designs/ideas and incorporate it into something new? I believe that the basis of a new idea is the inspiration behind it, and that inspiration comes about from an existing idea/design etc. No?


With regards to internals, must it be jammed packed with loops, multiple rads res etc?
I notice that some of the MDPC are like a jungle inside...?

I believe its mentioned that Hardware is not that important? So it would be possible to have pretty moderate hardware inside?

And does working alone/with a partner be a factor?

Pardon for all the questions, but I do find MDPC requirements interesting.



And....are there any Asian MDPCs?

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

I'm curious as to the part bout innovation and creativity.

Does it mean one would have to ensure that his design is unlike all the other MDPCs?

Would it be possible to merge different existing designs/ideas and incorporate it into something new? I believe that the basis of a new idea is the inspiration behind it, and that inspiration comes about from an existing idea/design etc. No?


With regards to internals, must it be jammed packed with loops, multiple rads res etc?
I notice that some of the MDPC are like a jungle inside...?

I believe its mentioned that Hardware is not that important? So it would be possible to have pretty moderate hardware inside?

And does working alone/with a partner be a factor?

Pardon for all the questions, but I do find MDPC requirements interesting.



And....are there any Asian MDPCs?

Junkun's cosmos is from the Philippines

[GregSG]

Junkun's cosmos is from the Philippines

Ok...thanks!

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Anyway replies to my questions?

[soundood]

I highly disagree. There is a guy here in Colorado Springs that is a Welder, who makes 20 foot tall metal sculptures... that are also wind vanes. They have a purpose, other than to just sit there, yet their primary intention is something pleasing to the eye. He also did one sculpture that just looking at it, you would think it was just a giant motorized piece of art, but it is actually two clock hands on a giant spire, with no clock face behind them... it serves the purpose of telling time, yet it is also art.

There is also the work of Frank Lloyd Wright... I would consider the majority of the buildings he designed to be art, yet they also serve a greater purpose of a place to live/work/whatever. How about ancient Greece ? Were their buildings not art ?

i accept your disagreement, and totaly understand where you are coming from. but you said it yourself it is 'pleasing to the eye', with the clock sculpture, this is one sculpture that cahallenges the modern conception of art, but to me it is still a clock.

you will also never really hear an architect describe a building as a 'work of art' any building for that matter, because he knows it is a building? see what i mean.

i am not saying you are wrong, there is just some of us, who believe this way of thinking about art, a lot to be honest.