OCCT 3.1.0 shows HD4870/4890 design flaw - they can't handle the new GPU test !

**Praxis1452** · 05-20-2009, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by LordEC911

Sooo... the Nvidia cards perform worse than the AMD/ATi cards?
Doesn't the AMD/ATi card also outperform the Nvidia cards in Furmark?

So how is this not a power virus?
You create an app that creates an unrealistic load on the card, causes the card to draw an unrealistic amount of power and then blame the card?

Get Out!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_virus "A power virus is a malicious computer program that executes specific machine code in order to reach the maximum CPU power dissipation (thermal energy output for the central processing unit). Computer cooling apparatus are designed to dissipate power up to the Thermal Design Power, rather than maximum power, and a power virus could cause the system to overheat; if it does not have logic to stop the processor, this may cause permanent damage."

OCCT is not malicious code.
The wiki entry even makes a distinction between a power virus and a stability program in that a stability program is directly under user control. And OCCT is.
It has not been proven that this causes the GPU to overheat, rather what people suspect is that OCP is being reached, or degradation of an inductor has occurred shutting down the graphics card. Thereby heat is not the main issue.
^^ this is the hypothesis under question though more broadly it is why this has ocurred.

You have not contributed a single piece of data, nor have you augmented the hypothesis and analyzed the results. Your only conclusion is that this is caused by temperature(because you cited power virus), which is wrong.

You're useless, and blatantly lying so you're absolutely worthless. Destroying you is fun.

**LordEC911** · 05-20-2009, 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by Praxis1452

Get Out!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_virus "A power virus is a malicious computer program that executes specific machine code in order to reach the maximum CPU power dissipation (thermal energy output for the central processing unit). Computer cooling apparatus are designed to dissipate power up to the Thermal Design Power, rather than maximum power, and a power virus could cause the system to overheat; if it does not have logic to stop the processor, this may cause permanent damage."

OCCT is not malicious code.
The wiki entry even makes a distinction between a power virus and a stability program in that a stability program is directly under user control. And OCCT is.
It has not been proven that this causes the GPU to overheat, rather what people suspect is that OCP is being reached, or degradation of an inductor has occurred shutting down the graphics card. Thereby heat is not the main issue.
^^ this is the hypothesis under question though more broadly it is why this has ocurred.

You have not contributed a single piece of data, nor have you augmented the hypothesis and analyzed the results. Your only conclusion is that this is caused by temperature(because you cited power virus), which is wrong.

You're useless, and blatantly lying so you're absolutely worthless. Destroying you is fun.

You might want to actually re-read the thread and also rethink what this app is...
I also never said anything about temperature in any of my posts...
People if you are going to argue, at least argue with what I am saying, not about stuff I didn't say.

**Praxis1452** · 05-20-2009, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by LordEC911

You might want to actually re-read the thread and also rethink what this app is...
I also never said anything about temperature in any of my posts...
People if you are going to argue, at least argue with what I am saying, not about stuff I didn't say.

I gave you the definition of the word you used; it includes temperature.

Fail at dodging.

**LordEC911** · 05-20-2009, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by Praxis1452

I gave you the definition of the word you used; it includes temperature.

Fail at dodging.

Unfortunately you don't seem to keen to read my previous post throughly...
I mentioned that supposedly, due to the app being a power virus, that it overloads the card which was the OPs conclusion. The side effect of temp didn't seem to be the problem, though with the findings on this board, it cannot be overlooked.

**Bo_Fox** · 05-20-2009, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by Nightstar

Bravo Tetedeiench

I've grown quite fond of your OCCT. Don't let the fanboys and shills shout you down.

I've been told that GDDR5 stuff is power hungry, could be your 512MB card draws less than a 1024MB reference design card and doesn't trigger OCP.

Or a manufacturing problem. Nonetheless /agree wholeheartedly

Nah, here is the sort of thing that would deter me from buying Radeons:

"Your limited testing is flawed. If the VDDC's overheat they will shut down the card to protect it. If you dont want to have a crash when testing artificial means such as this stability benchmark then increase the fan speed to cool the VDDC's. Obviously underclocking acomplishes a similar goal as they dont get as hot. No games are affected just artificial stability tests."

I was considering a 4890 however I won't abide this kind of BS and censorship. I certainly won't encourage such with my hard earned $.

This has been a very revealing thread. I've learned a lot about individuals that compose the XS community

Yes, let's just all start blocking LordEC911's posts. Those people just dont change, so once you see an immature post on a long thread, just block the poster and it should shorten the thread considerably!!

It could just be a temporary block, and then unblocked afterwards..

I'm so grateful for such a honorable programmer who has created OCCT. Exploiting such a controversial issue (which is officially made "controversial" by the deleting and banning that is done on AMD forums) is always a good thing. Heck, it could actually explain some of the crashes in older "simple" games, like EVE, as experienced by Shintai, and others..

I'm surprised that Nvidia cards can handle it just fine. Seems that the shaders arent as demanding on NV cards. If it were a problem with NV cards instead of ATI cards, then Charlie over at the INQ would be praising about it for the next 2 months with 10-page drunkely-slurred articles!

**Nullack** · 05-20-2009, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by LordEC911

Unfortunately you don't seem to keen to read my previous post throughly...
I mentioned that supposedly, due to the app being a power virus, that it overloads the card which was the OPs conclusion. The side effect of temp didn't seem to be the problem, though with the findings on this board, it cannot be overlooked.

No offense, but honestly your arguments are irrational.

The software in question does not meet the definition of a power virus. It is a stress test, which is a totally different class of software.

Your attempts at providing red herrings into the debate about performance is again illogical.

You also cling to straw man arguments where you misrepresent other's arguments in an attempt by you to "defeat" them.

If you care so much about this and arent just another fanboy who's in denial, I honestly suggest you read up on how to construct a logically rational argument.

**LordEC911** · 05-20-2009, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by Nullack

No offense, but honestly your arguments are irrational.

The software in question does not meet the definition of a power virus. It is a stress test, which is a totally different class of software.

Your attempts at providing red herrings into the debate about performance is again illogical.

You also cling to straw man arguments where you misrepresent other's arguments in an attempt by you to "defeat" them.

If you care so much about this and arent just another fanboy who's in denial, I honestly suggest you read up on how to construct a logically rational argument.

Pray tell how are my posts irrational?
So, this program is not a power virus since it is a benchmark/stresstest?
Does it do everything a power virus does?

All I care about is the lack of detective work done by certain individuals.
I guess people don't/can't understand a different POV.

Until there is substantial proof of an actual problem, I don't know why people are agreeing with a hypothesis...

**Praxis1452** · 05-20-2009, 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by LordEC911

Pray tell how are my posts irrational?
So, this program is not a power virus since it is a benchmark/stresstest?
Does it do everything a power virus does?

All I care about is the lack of detective work done by certain individuals.
I guess people don't/can't understand a different POV.

Until there is substantial proof of an actual problem, I don't know why people are agreeing with a hypothesis...

Originally Posted by Praxis1452

Get Out!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_virus "A power virus is a malicious computer program that executes specific machine code in order to reach the maximum CPU power dissipation (thermal energy output for the central processing unit). Computer cooling apparatus are designed to dissipate power up to the Thermal Design Power, rather than maximum power, and a power virus could cause the system to overheat; if it does not have logic to stop the processor, this may cause permanent damage."

OCCT is not malicious code.
The wiki entry even makes a distinction between a power virus and a stability program in that a stability program is directly under user control. And OCCT is.
It has not been proven that this causes the GPU to overheat, rather what people suspect is that OCP is being reached, or degradation of an inductor has occurred shutting down the graphics card. Thereby heat is not the main issue.
^^ this is the hypothesis under question though more broadly it is why this has ocurred.

You have not contributed a single piece of data, nor have you augmented the hypothesis and analyzed the results. Your only conclusion is that this is caused by temperature(because you cited power virus), which is wrong.

You're useless, and blatantly lying so you're absolutely worthless. Destroying you is fun.

You are now officially a bigot. And you complain about others not reading your writing.

I not only defined power virus and cited the source, I proved that OCCT does not meet the criteria, and yet you keep pushing the point.

EPIC FAIL

**Bo_Fox** · 05-20-2009, 10:27 PM

Originally Posted by LordEC911

Pray tell how are my posts irrational?
So, this program is not a power virus since it is a benchmark/stresstest?
Does it do everything a power virus does?

All I care about is the lack of detective work done by certain individuals.
I guess people don't/can't understand a different POV.

Until there is substantial proof of an actual problem, I don't know why people are agreeing with a hypothesis...

LordEC, just drop this power virus thing. It's only harming your reputation here on XS forums.

**Praxis1452** · 05-20-2009, 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by LordEC911

Unfortunately you don't seem to keen to read my previous post throughly...
I mentioned that supposedly, due to the app being a power virus, that it overloads the card which was the OPs conclusion. The side effect of temp didn't seem to be the problem, though with the findings on this board, it cannot be overlooked.

Alright I'll pretend you didn't write what you wrote.