Any hardware can fail with special software...Originally Posted by Nullack
Any hardware can fail with special software...
Originally Posted by motown_steve
Every genocide that was committed during the 20th century has been preceded by the disarmament of the target population. Once the government outlaws your guns your life becomes a luxury afforded to you by the state. You become a tool to benefit the state. Should you cease to benefit the state or even worse become an annoyance or even a hindrance to the state then your life becomes more trouble than it is worth.
Once the government outlaws your guns your life is forfeit. You're already dead, it's just a question of when they are going to get around to you.
So now you're comparing a crash caused by an erratum with one caused by a crappy PWM?
Friends shouldn't let friends use Windows 7 until Microsoft fixes Windows Explorer (link)
Crappy PWM?So now you're comparing a crash caused by an erratum with one caused by a crappy PWM?
Did you not read where some people did not have a problem with reference cards?
The fact here is this is another power virus app.
Originally Posted by motown_steve
Every genocide that was committed during the 20th century has been preceded by the disarmament of the target population. Once the government outlaws your guns your life becomes a luxury afforded to you by the state. You become a tool to benefit the state. Should you cease to benefit the state or even worse become an annoyance or even a hindrance to the state then your life becomes more trouble than it is worth.
Once the government outlaws your guns your life is forfeit. You're already dead, it's just a question of when they are going to get around to you.
Any special reason to why you didn't answer my question?
To your question: did you read all those that are having problems with it? Do you find acceptable that a buttload of cards fail under high load even if some don't?
Friends shouldn't let friends use Windows 7 until Microsoft fixes Windows Explorer (link)
How is that a question?
Where was I referring to an errata?
I read where the OP supposedly has this HUGE sample of cards that crash... whoops that was only 2 cards and 1 of them works.
In this thread I read where 3 people had a problem even getting the app to work and another 2 people that have a "problem card" but it worked just fine.
So right now... 4 samples:
1 reference card crashes
1 non-reference card works
2 reference cards work
also 3 cannot get app to work...
Obviously there is a problem with AMD/ATi making faulty cards, let's send all cards they make back and boycott them, that is the only solution.
Some of us like numbers and statistics to base our claim. Others like to jump to conclusions.
Edit- To the people complaining about AMD/ATi fanboys and all the supposed whining going on in this thread.
The OP tested 2 cards, jumped to a conclusion that all RV770 cards are faulty because they cannot handle his new power virus.
The title is very misleading and shows a large bias. What he could have/should have done is simply ask people here or in the GPU section to try out his new stability app and grab a consensus. After getting a good number of samples, then you might be able to post a thread like this, SHOWING the numbers.
This path he took is simply very wrong and a sad way to try and get attention for his app.
Last edited by LordEC911; 05-19-2009 at 05:40 PM.
Originally Posted by motown_steve
Every genocide that was committed during the 20th century has been preceded by the disarmament of the target population. Once the government outlaws your guns your life becomes a luxury afforded to you by the state. You become a tool to benefit the state. Should you cease to benefit the state or even worse become an annoyance or even a hindrance to the state then your life becomes more trouble than it is worth.
Once the government outlaws your guns your life is forfeit. You're already dead, it's just a question of when they are going to get around to you.
The answers to this question...
...are yes or no. And why if you like. You haven't answered it yet.So now you're comparing a crash caused by an erratum with one caused by a crappy PWM?
Some of us use our little and insignificant brain to think about why ATI has capped FurMark, which is a less demanding application than this one, because it burned a few cards' PWM. Then we wonder about what will happen when we test this thing in more cards, like it happened with FurMark. The same people said back then bah, this application can't be right. It was so right that ATI capped it. What a surprise. However, right now it's just a conclusion indeed.
I've tested it in my 4870 and it FAILS. Let me ask you another question (will you answer this one?): will you admit the cards have such problem when ATI caps OCCT in a future driver release like it will probably happen?
Anybody can. Why? Because the same cards that fail the test at default clocks pass it with 0 problems if they're underclocked. This has been proved too in this thread several times by the author you don't want to believe. Or did you miss it?
Friends shouldn't let friends use Windows 7 until Microsoft fixes Windows Explorer (link)
Really when did you test it?
Did you read the thread?
Why didn't you post your results before?
This thread is obviously turning into a crap shoot thanks to the way the OP went about this thread.
Wtf?
Learn to read. He had a 4800 running that didn't crash... Congrats.
Originally Posted by motown_steve
Every genocide that was committed during the 20th century has been preceded by the disarmament of the target population. Once the government outlaws your guns your life becomes a luxury afforded to you by the state. You become a tool to benefit the state. Should you cease to benefit the state or even worse become an annoyance or even a hindrance to the state then your life becomes more trouble than it is worth.
Once the government outlaws your guns your life is forfeit. You're already dead, it's just a question of when they are going to get around to you.
Oh really? He proved two cards? How many other members on this board just posted they encountered no such problem?
All sorts of cards will have varying tolerances, and unless the OP has more than a SMALL SAMPLE SIZE, his "conclusion" is irrelevant
Unless you've got a hundred cards that can all REPRODUCE this same issue, you're playing with small sample sizes
This is like basketball when someone shoots 12/15 for a game. Can you conclude this guy is a .800 shooter? And right now, from our own thread's results, the guy isn't even at 50% for the small sample size, so how can you conclude either way?
Last edited by zerazax; 05-19-2009 at 10:38 PM.
How obnoxious of a statement..
It's like saying that any system memory (DDR sticks) can fail with special software like Memtest86 or Linpack or Prime95 or OCCT or SuperPi, or anything you could think of, which is a poor statement after all...
And then after you underclock your memory, voila it works! You upgrade your motherboard with one that has an 8-phase PWM circuitry, and you find that you do not have to underclock your memory for it to work. So, you scratch your head, pondering about this issue for the rest of your life until you become bald, because you refuse to allow yourself to understand the issue, like the rest of us can.
Many of the guys here can get OCCT to work by just lowering the memory clock, and not the GPU clock. I mean, the memory is not supposed to take that much power, but GDDR5 is known to be power-hungry, and not supplying adequate VRM's (or at least allowing them to handle the current) is probably going to cause this issue in a game or two. As Shintai brillantly clarified, it could have been the very issue causing crashes with EVE Online. Some of the older games use very simple shader calculations, and could eat insane power even when the menu screen is running.
Recently, I was playing NOLF games at 4x4 supersampling AA, and it heated my card hotter than ever. It actually made the screen artifact just a tiny little bit after an hour or so of running @ max overclocked speeds. I know that Nvidia does not officially support 4x4 mode, but it ran along without crashing at even hotter temperatures than Furmark. (No, I'm not a NV fanboi at all.. before any of you guys assume me to be one.)
Bottom line: I'm grateful that there's such an application testing tool that can help us to know which cards are of better quality than others. Thank you, Tetedeiench!!!
Last edited by Bo_Fox; 05-20-2009 at 05:53 PM.
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