Rebranding works, AMD loses graphics marketshare in Q1 2009

[v_rr]

I think you mean IGPs and not processors. Plus those IGPs run Vista fine. And its not Intel but OEMs that is to blame for the missing aero bling bling. But lets make something clear. They run Vista perfectly fine!

But not HD content except 780/790G and Nvidia ones.

[Shintai]

But not HD content except 780/790G and Nvidia ones.

Yes they do. Unless you want to go back and use some ancient. Try match the timelines aswell. You use a 1½ year old chipset. that matches to what with Intel? Yes plays HD fine for all of them. And even then, most if not all got CPU power to do HD anyway.

Even G35 is older than 780. Runs Full HD perfectly.

You are way too desperate these days. And its fun joking with you

You need to move it down to the Atom series before US15/GN40. But again, I´m sure they all got bluray drives or 25mbit+ for streaming HD on their 1920*1080 screens.

[v_rr]

Yes they do. Unless you want to go back and use some ancient. Try match the timelines aswell. You use a 1½ year old chipset. that matches to what with Intel? Yes plays HD fine for all of them. And even then, most if not all got CPU power to do HD anyway.

Even G35 is older than 780. Runs Full HD perfectly.

You are so exigent with AMD but with Intel every crap rules.











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With Quad-Core + G35 CPU utilization goes up to 40%.

With an ancient core 2 duo they can go up to 90%:
Image Quality HD HQV:




http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...spx?i=3258&p=4

So we have a bunch of crap performance and crap image quality for your superb G35

You are way too desperate these days. And its fun joking with you

You get the bike.... (get a life also)

[B.E.E.F.]

I think you mean IGPs and not processors. Plus those IGPs run Vista fine. And its not Intel but OEMs that is to blame for the missing aero bling bling. But lets make something clear. They run Vista perfectly fine!

The fault is shared between Intel and Microsoft. Intel because they wanted to get rid of old inventory with scrupulous practices, and Microsoft for supporting them,

They don't run Vista fine. If they did, they would run Aero. A major component that makes Vista, Vista. It's the first thing you see, and the most noticeable difference from its predecessor for the end user.

[Drwho?]

You are so exigent with AMD but with Intel every crap rules.







So we have a bunch of crap performance and crap image quality for your superb G35



You get the bike.... (get a life also)

This is the perfect example of useless marketing ... who care about the CPU utilization while playing a blueray ???? when you do, 99.99999% of the people don t do anything else ....

This is a new fashion ... CPU utilization being low is a good thing? since when?

That is bad marketing, from a final consumer point of view, it does not make any difference, except that you tried for take some $ out their pockets for something useless ...

When you play blue ray, you rarely do anything else, and if you do ... well, Get a Core i7, that will accelerate more than getting anything else.

you got to see through all the cheap marketing of the gpu vendors ...
CPU utilization is not always important ... Especially in video playback.

[Sly Fox]

Frankly, I agree with you. While Intel IGP's are "bad," it doesn't really matter if it's 40% or 20% CPU usage in that scenario.

Unfortunately, as long as you work for Intel you'll never be right in some people's minds.

Not saying Intel IGP's are great btw, just that they perform fine for their target market.

This is the perfect example of useless marketing ... who care about the CPU utilization while playing a blueray ???? when you do, 99.99999% of the people don t do anything else ....

This is a new fashion ... CPU utilization being low is a good thing? since when?

That is bad marketing, from a final consumer point of view, it does not make any difference, except that you tried for take some $ out their pockets for something useless ...

When you play blue ray, you rarely do anything else, and if you do ... well, Get a Core i7, that will accelerate more than getting anything else.

you got to see through all the cheap marketing of the gpu vendors ...
CPU utilization is not always important ... Especially in video playback.

[cegras]

This is the perfect example of useless marketing ... who care about the CPU utilization while playing a blueray ???? when you do, 99.99999% of the people don t do anything else ....

This is a new fashion ... CPU utilization being low is a good thing? since when?

That is bad marketing, from a final consumer point of view, it does not make any difference, except that you tried for take some $ out their pockets for something useless ...

When you play blue ray, you rarely do anything else, and if you do ... well, Get a Core i7, that will accelerate more than getting anything else.

you got to see through all the cheap marketing of the gpu vendors ...
CPU utilization is not always important ... Especially in video playback.

[B.E.E.F.]

So, higher score is better or worse?

[Boissez]

This is the perfect example of useless marketing ... who care about the CPU utilization while playing a blueray ???? when you do, 99.99999% of the people don t do anything else ....

This is a new fashion ... CPU utilization being low is a good thing? since when?

That is bad marketing, from a final consumer point of view, it does not make any difference, except that you tried for take some $ out their pockets for something useless ...

When you play blue ray, you rarely do anything else, and if you do ... well, Get a Core i7, that will accelerate more than getting anything else.

you got to see through all the cheap marketing of the gpu vendors ...
CPU utilization is not always important ... Especially in video playback.

I guess you could turn that argument around and claim that most gaming CPU benchmarks are useless marketing - because from a final consumer point of view what difference is there between a game running @ 60 fps and 150 fps?

Maybe someone should call these marketing malpractices? oh wait someone already did

PS:

[B]This is a new fashion ... CPU utilization being low is a good thing? since when?

Are you thereby insinuating that the G35 is better at HD decoding than the G45 - because it keeps the CPU churning?

[highoctane]

Whats the big deal if a cpu handles some or all of the decode, does it matter???

[Manicdan]

yes, cause more stressful video will not be able to run properly if they are cpu dependant

[B.E.E.F.]

Whats the big deal if a cpu handles some or all of the decode, does it matter???

Depends on how powerful the CPU is. Not everyone owns a E8xxx series to handle the high stress from the IGP.

[Andrew LB]

nvidia 9400 owns.
every laptop should have it, not just the apple ones.

I prefer the nVidia 9600m GT 256mb in my Dell XPS m1530 over the 9400.



As for the "slight" change in market share over the past year... I believe that slight difference had more to do with the economic recession and the fact that Americans tend to stick with products made by American companies during tough times.


... or you can blame it on Obama for scaring Canada when he announced he wanted to re-negotiate NAFTA. (i forget if that was before or after he promised he wouldn't alter NAFTA.)

[Smartidiot89]

I have to agree with Francois.

Some people need to step out of their high-end enthusiast benchmarking bubble for a few. The Intel IGPs aren't great, but it's enough for the targetted market and that is what really matters.

The customers that buys this hardly don't even know the difference between AMD and Intel, they just want a computer that can do *this* and *that* thus the seller gives them a point in the right direction.

In the end, they didn't buy a Intel or AMD platform, they baught a "HP" or "Fujitsu-Siemens" or "Dell"

Point is, the avarage Joe doesn't give a damn if he's CPU is being utilized to 100% when playing HD-quality movies, as long as it's working properly. In which the G35 and G45 can complete its task. Yes AMD/Nvidia gives a "better" solution to HD, and also to games at lower settings, but for this market it simply doesn't matter.

Also GPUs... Everyone aren't pumping max resolution, max settings 8xAA/AF, when the little kid with a computer notices the game simply doesn't run at absolute max settings, he will simply lower it too meet hes demands. So everyone doesn't need GTX295/HD4870X2 in Quad-mode to be satisfied.

Yeah I am a fullbreed AMD fanboy there you have it Francois

[ChinStrap]

man o man, the turns some of these threads take.

[Hornet331]

I love this tests... especial when you play both videos next to each other, you don't notice the slightests difference.

You can always pick new beefed up benchmark games to set a requirement. The fact still stands that the wast majority of people can play fine on very low solutions. Also new games. There is a reason Farcry2 and others are sued as benchmark games.

eh, so every new game is a benchmark game then....

[duploxxx]

This is the perfect example of useless marketing ... who care about the CPU utilization while playing a blueray ???? when you do, 99.99999% of the people don t do anything else ....

This is a new fashion ... CPU utilization being low is a good thing? since when?

That is bad marketing, from a final consumer point of view, it does not make any difference, except that you tried for take some $ out their pockets for something useless ...

When you play blue ray, you rarely do anything else, and if you do ... well, Get a Core i7, that will accelerate more than getting anything else.

you got to see through all the cheap marketing of the gpu vendors ...
CPU utilization is not always important ... Especially in video playback.

true, but you don't need a i7 to run blue ray... that's what i call waste of money , well I7 still is a waste of money unless you want the e-penis thing or desperate to get a new system.

but then again what about power consumption? And to go a bit further why the Intel IGP share is so high, all those laptops and there battery time?

I think you mean IGPs and not processors. Plus those IGPs run Vista fine. And its not Intel but OEMs that is to blame for the missing aero bling bling. But lets make something clear. They run Vista perfectly fine!

oh dear oh dear, I think your all blue vision is getting worse day by day.

you can blame an OEM for merging crappy solutions
you can blame a HW provider for releasing crappy hardware
you can blame a SW provider to set to high specifications (or lets just say not able to code good enough so you do require these specifications)

you just made the statement that due to the bad merging decisions from a company the hw provider is the one that has the gap, yes intel cpu with intel gpu.

the reduced specifications on the well known OS works in 2 ways.
1) the crappy hw provider is not to be blamed for there bad design.
2) the SW provider can sell a lot more if they reduce the minimum specifications to a level of the most sold IGP.

I wonder what your response will be if we bring up the Atom design and the responsibilities there. That is the only reason for the increased intel market share, not for example the g45 that finally got a bit better.

I love this tests... especial when you play both videos next to each other, you don't notice the slightests difference.

did you ever test any image quality? We have a testing team here at work that consists of 10 people doing nothing then testing image display quality there sure is a difference between all these gpu's and it is very strong if you have a decent screen to view it.

[Shintai]

But not HD content except 780/790G and Nvidia ones.

So it could play HD by your own numbers. Thanks!

Priceless!

Depends on how powerful the CPU is. Not everyone owns a E8xxx series to handle the high stress from the IGP.

Even a 1.6Ghz Atom with 945 chipset can run HD movies without problems. People here at work that got them as extra toy gadgets do that.

[ToTTenTranz]

This is the perfect example of useless marketing ... who care about the CPU utilization while playing a blueray ???? when you do, 99.99999% of the people don t do anything else ....

You missed the point.
The CPU utilization matters when you're using a low-end CPU, like the Atom, Nano or Athlon Neo.
A 20% utilization in HD video playback, in one of those tests using a quadcore, means an Atom will not be able playback the HD content.
(And it doesn't really matter if it's Blu-Ray or not, it matters if it's H264)

[Shintai]

You missed the point.
The CPU utilization matters when you're using a low-end CPU, like the Atom, Nano or Athlon Neo.
A 30% utilization in HD video playback, in one of those tests using a quadcore, means an Atom will not be able playback the HD content.
(And it doesn't really matter if it's Blu-Ray or not, it matter if it's H264)

But the Atoms DO play it.

I think you are blinded by other CPU utilization. Just because a 2½Ghz quad uses 50% CPU doesnt mean a 2½Ghz dualcore will use 100% and so on. Specially not when your loading media is an optical mixed with Java.

[duploxxx]

So it could play HD by your own numbers. Thanks!

Priceless!



Even a 1.6Ghz Atom with 945 chipset can run HD movies without problems. People here at work that got them as extra toy gadgets do that.

care to prove your statement with some real data?

all i saw in a review is this:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...t,1981-12.html

ooooorrrrr this:

http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=3509&p=2

[ToTTenTranz]

But the Atoms DO play it.

No, they don't.
My Eeepc standing next to me won't play h264 @ 720p without loads of lost frames and sound sinchronization problems, let alone 1080p.

[Shintai]

care to prove your statement with some real data?

all i saw in a review is this:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...t,1981-12.html

ooooorrrrr this:

http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=3509&p=2

Just a shame they both used the same. Reading ftw. Extra filters will always add extra load.

Come again kid.

We tested the DVD output with PowerDVD 8 from Cyberlink. The DVD player calculates intermediate images which makes the output smoother, but also puts greater load on the CPU

[duploxxx]

Just a shame they both used the same. Reading ftw. Extra filters will always add extra load.

Come again kid.

yeah a real shame you can't trust reviews anymore. Now who's the "kid" inhere, the only thing you are good at is reading and posting about it (we already know you lack showing ), now i do wonder how you actually read articles.

from anandtech:
Intel’s US15 chipset (codenamed Poulsbo) supports full hardware MPEG-2, VC-1 and H.264 decode acceleration. It’s necessary because Atom is too slow to decode high bitrate video encoded in these formats. Without this hardware decode acceleration, Atom wouldn’t be able to playback Blu-ray or HD video.

Most desktops, notebooks and netbooks based on Atom don’t use the US15 chipset; they use 945G and 945G lacks this hardware decode acceleration support

[ToTTenTranz]

Just a shame they both used the same. Reading ftw. Extra filters will always add extra load.

Come again kid.

Shifting the topic from HD playback to DVD playback... You just made that up out of pressure, didn't you?

Keep trying though, maybe someday you'll get it.