Rebranding works, AMD loses graphics marketshare in Q1 2009

[naokaji]

Rebranding works?

Nah..

In my opinion it was people buying cheaper pcs than before, so they got integrated intel gpus instead of a real gpu. The bitter truth is, dedicated graphicscards only have a tiny marketshare to start with.

[B.E.E.F.]

who in their ing right mind would buy an Intel IGP?
FUUUUUuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

Me for one. Didn't have a choice with my notebook.

: (

[570091D]

nvidia 9400 owns.
every laptop should have it, not just the apple ones.

it doesn't pwn in power consuption.... but you're right, it does provide the best graphics for any igp right now. that is probably what is keeping nvidia afloat right now because the margins on thier gt200 based discrete products are so low.

[villa1n]

obviously is the big increase...as well, you have to look at overall sales across the board which are down, in a downturned economy, people will buy cheaper laptops/desktops with igps, instead of spending the xtra like we do to have beasts :P

[Chruschef]

nvidia sold more, so what?
nvidia's shareholders couldn't gives a rat's *** if they sold more -- nvidia hase terrible profit margins, if you could call them profit margins, due to poor processes.
a company can't continue if they aren't producing cash, selling products at net loss doesn't work... anyone remember when nvidia's card-partners(EVGA, XFX, etc) were complaining if they cut the prices much more they wouldn't be making any money on them.

[saaya]

units sold dropped from ~95million in q1 2008 to ~74million in q1 2009... interesting... thats quite a decline... 20% pretty much

i dont think nvidia gained market share by rebranding their parts, its much more likely that dropping the prices on their gt200 and g92 parts made this possible, especially the 260.

what we dont see in this report is what segments each of them is serving and how much money they make with it, and thats what matters a whole lot more than market share... im looking forward to segment and profit results, unfortunately intel doesnt share any infos about their graphics division afaik...

intel may have 50% of the market but thats igp, which is basically 2d graphics and they are not exactly making a lot of money with those...

[Sparky]

Thread title sucks and is misleading, good job shintai

[trinibwoy]

No sense fussing boys. Just wait for discrete numbers.

[Eastcoasthandle]

No sense fussing boys. Just wait for discrete numbers.

That's the problem. Where is that information?

[trinibwoy]

Wait for the official report. The stuff Shintai posted is based on projections.

[OBR]

These ARE discrete numbers ... and TITLE is great trap for Atiboys and working!

[Frodin]

These ARE discrete numbers ... and TITLE is great trap for Atiboys and working!

Really? So intel has claimed an almost 50% market share in discrete GPUs for Larrabee before they have even started production, or better yet before any performance numbers are revealed? Amazing!

[saaya]

hahah obr is joking frodin

[Drwho?]

CUDA CUDA CUDA !!!!

Just kidding ... seams it is not helping ...
My advise, Focus on the core business: GAMES.

Francois

[Nedjo]

Good that Apple didn't listen to your advice and incorporated GF9400 instead of yours GMA "graphics"...

[RejZoR]

Anyone who counts Intel as graphics vendor is plain stupid. Isn't it odd that biggest chipset maker also sels the most "GPU's" ?
Considering they push their stuff along their chipsets. If ATI was doing that, their share would be just as inflated as Intel's.
I'll start counting Intel as something that counts when i see a working end product based on Larrabee. Until then, Intel doesn't exist in the GFX market for me.

[FlanK3r]

shintai and OBR are Intel and nvidia noobs

only bad and mistake thread

[Chad Boga]

Thread title sucks and is misleading, good job shintai

What's the big deal about the thread title?

[v_rr]

These ARE discrete numbers ... and TITLE is great trap for Atiboys and working!

Are discrete numbers? Someone needs new glasses

What's the big deal about the thread title?

The title is information manipulation at it's best. Not more not less then that

Jon Peddie Research: graphics market is on the rebound. Intel leads the way

According to JPR's Market Watch, the entire market, encompassing add-in boards and integrated GPUs, had a hard time of it. Comparing Q1 2009 to Q1 2008 we see that shipments are down from an estimated 94.88m to 74.87m - a 21.1 per cent drop. In Q1 2008 Intel had a 10-point lead over NVIDIA, with AMD/ATI firmly in third place.

The three big players took a whopping 94 per cent of the market. Bear in mind the table shows quantity rather than revenue, and NVIDIA/ATI's discrete cards can cost up to £400 a pop. Intel does extremely well in the integrated-GPU market, of course, with the majority of business PCs' graphics provided by the chip giant.

Look at the same quarter for 2009 and whilst volume shipments for the trifecta are down, Intel's minor drop enables it to grab almost 50 per cent of the market share - up from 42.7 per cent - at the expense of everyone else, according to JPR. One possible explanation of Intel's volume-related resilience may lie with the company's bundling of motherboard (and graphics) for its Atom processors, found in the majority of netbooks shipping today.

A 20 per cent-plus year-on-year drop may cause sales staff sleepless nights, but there appears to be hope on the horizon. Q1 2009 shipments were higher than Q4 2008. That's surprising because the latter packs in the holiday season. It's the first time in nine years that the first quarter has beaten shipments for the previous year's Q4.

JPR expects the overall shipments to pick-up in Q3 and Q4 of 2009, driven by new architectures, pent-up demand, depleted inventories, and arrival of new operating systems from Microsoft and Apple.

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=18231

[[XC] riptide]

CUDA CUDA CUDA !!!!

Just kidding ... seams it is not helping ...
My advise, Focus on the core business: GAMES.

Francois

Hey! Shouldn't you be busy making Larabee!

[Vinas]

Only Shintai could write some title like that, manipulating the original title.
Nvidia sell more IGP's? We already knew that. Where does it state that rebranding works?
Or better where does it state add-in board numbers? It doesn't. Manipulation works some times.

Nvidia is the bigg winner? Just: Lol
Market share:
Q1 2008 -> Intel -> 42.7%
Q1 2009 -> Intel -> 49.7%
+7%

Q1 2008 -> AMD -> 18.6%
Q1 2009 -> AMD -> 17.1%
-1.5%

Q1 2008 -> Nvidia -> 32.7%
Q1 2009 -> Nvidia -> 31.1%
-1.6%

Real conclusion: Q1 2009 was flooded with IGP's by Intel compared to the year ago. Intel comand almost 50% of all the market only with crap IGP's.
Sintai conclusion: Rebranding works, AMD loses graphics marketshare in Q1 2009

Agree. Ati has some great products out right now and makes the best graphics solutions today IMHO. Only a matter of time before more people start using and loving the ATi cards.

[Chad Boga]

The title is information manipulation at it's best. Not more not less then that

Jon Peddie Research: graphics market is on the rebound. Intel leads the way

Wow, talk about getting your panties all twisted into a knot over nothing.

With all the talk that occurs on this forum about Nvidia's rebranding efforts, I thought it was quite funny that Shintai managed to tie that talk into the results that Peddie Research shows.

I am actually amazed at how Nvidia's marketshare has held up so well under the circumstances, I know myself I have written them off for the time being as a graphics card choice, much in the same way I never considered the Phenom I as a viable option.

[BrowncoatGR]

CUDA CUDA CUDA !!!!

Just kidding ... seams it is not helping ...
My advise, Focus on the core business: GAMES.

Francois

Right... God forbid they actually try to compete with Intel

Hey! Shouldn't you be busy making Larabee!

that too

[Hornet331]

Wow, talk about getting your panties all twisted into a knot over nothing.

With all the talk that occurs on this forum about Nvidia's rebranding efforts, I thought it was quite funny that Shintai managed to tie that talk into the results that Peddie Research shows.

I am actually amazed at how Nvidia's marketshare has held up so well under the circumstances, I know myself I have written them off for the time being as a graphics card choice, much in the same way I never considered the Phenom I as a viable option.

If it comes to fanboyism no joke can be obviose enough, to be not perceived as atttack against the other company.

[Shintai]

Hehehehehe