Why no one should be shocked by The Pirate Bay verdict

[Gambit_2K]

+1 ^^


Although I have to say Prices are too high for some high-school/College kid like myself, I go to the cinema once or twice a month max, but I cant go all the time and buying a dvd is actually more expensive(12/13 for good films) So I have to resort to pirating a movie every now and then as I just cant afford the prices (£8 to see a movie at cinema it should be half that!)....

I agree I think the way to go is what Valve did with steam. Lower the prices and sales go way way up, wheter it be games, movies or music.

[Kingcarcas]

Maybe the piratebay people should not have been so arrogant, they might have taken it easier on them, now the courts are going to try and bone them figuratively and literally

[Jamesrt2004]

I agree I think the way to go is what Valve did with steam. Lower the prices and sales go way way up, wheter it be games, movies or music.

Exactly i've brought a couple "indie" games and a couple bigger titles UT3 + lost planet etc... cause' of the weekend deals there doing.

[MrToad]

[...]You cannot deal with the piracy problem by trying to take down one site at a time[...]

[...]And stupid things like DRM and RIAA going after teenagers is just making things worse. Actions like these only helps building resistance and making the pirates look like some sort of freedom fighters.[...]

they keep it illegal because there is money to be made by perpetuating anarchy for profit

[...]Take down the game/movie prices to a more affordable level. Establish a better customer service where the customer, if not satisfied, can return the merchandise. Make policies so that if a production company releases a half-ass done game, they had to recall it and refund the customers.

That makes sense, but is harder to swallow than the current tactics, and feeds less people. It doesn't feed lawyers, it doesn't feed the media, it doesn't make a penny for Macrovision. And puts the accountability and responsibility in the wrong hands. In the hands of the publishers of the copyrighted media. Easier to keep blaming the evil infringing crowds for sloppy practices, and resources diverted away from quality, affordability and accountability.

Lots of education on intellectual rights would also help.

The use of swear words is explicitly forbidden in this forum

Now, let's think about it. What's easier, to educate the crowds (which, by the way, always love a freebie) or to carry on suing, ranting, raving and having the perfect excuse for any action they might deem appropriate and the perfect smoke screen to cloak their incompetence?

[Tonucci]

If they were in our juristiction (Brazil's) they would have been found guilty as well. According to out laws and precedents.

[W1zzard]

Yes Piracy will end just like the way they got rid of the hideous Evil Weed Marijuana

on which planet do you live? Marijuana is a $150B++ a year market

[Pinacolada]

Valve did with steam. Lower the prices and sales go way way up, wheter it be games, movies or music.

For European customers,prices on Steam are up to 100% higher than in other online stores or retail.

[Tonucci]

on which planet do you live? Marijuana is a $150B++ a year market

Turn your Sarcasm'o'metter on bro

[elite.ire]

yeap alot of steam games are alot more expensive than retail,
and i am kinda surprised at the verdict that was handed down in tpb case, i though they would get away with it,
after all what were they convicted of ? like accesory to distribution to copyright infrigement material ? :s

[Speederlander]

Yes Piracy will end just like the way they got rid of the hideous Evil Weed Marijuana

Just another Bull way of lawyers getting rich off of others sufferance and they keep it illegal because there is money to be made by perpetuating anarchy for profit just like the war on drugs!

You can grow weed in your backyard. That's always been pointless to restrict. You can't grow a new triple AAA game title in your backyard. They take years often to develop. So, you pay someone for the weed you buy (or you risk bad things happening) but with software you risk basically nothing, pay nothing, and get the game for free by pirating it. Winner = pirate. Loser 1 = Family of the game developer. Loser 2 = People who like the big titles that years to develop and millions of dollars.

[Donnie27]

Turn your Sarcasm'o'metter on bro

Sarcasim or not, seen that last news items on Pot fields in the US!?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,237260,00.html

This was bound to happen sooner or later. What does this have to do with Piracy? Well, once China replaced the Warezers (Cheap bootlegged ITEMS FROM Juarez Mexico) they had to find something else. This isn't reported by only Fox news BTW.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2...g-effort_x.htm

That might not be that funny LOL!

Everything is about money, look at that story about how much money TPB was making? Why no outrage there? No to mention making money off or from others labors

Funding

From wikki

Petter Nilsson, a candidate on the Swedish reality show Toppkandidaterna (The Top Candidates), donated 35,000 SEK to The Pirate Bay, which they used to buy new servers.[15] As of June 2006, the website is financed through advertisements on their result pages. According to speculations by Svenska Dagbladet, the advertisements generate about 600,000 SEK (US$65,000, £46,000) per month.[16] In an investigation in 2006, the police concluded that The Pirate Bay brings in 1.2 million SEK ($150,000) per year from advertisements.[17] The prosecution estimated in the 2009 trial from emails and screenshots that the advertisements pay over 10 million SEK ($1.2M) a year,[18] but in the indictment were moderate and used the estimate from the police investigation.[19] The lawyers of the site's administrators counted the 2006 revenue closer to 725,000 SEK ($100,000).[20] The verdict of the trial however quoted the estimate from the preliminary investigation.[21]

So much for being Robin Hood LOL! More like just being a Hood.

From TPB!

* Buy a t-shirt and show the world where your sympathy is.
* If you live in Europe, vote in the election for the EU parliament in June.

Why send not a T-Shirt free

#6. Inkaren - 04-19 22:47
A T-shirt will soon be in my closet!

Can't buy music or software though uh?

[Tonucci]

Sarcasim or not, seen that last news items on Pot fields in the US!?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,237260,00.html

This was bound to happen sooner or later. What does this have to do with Piracy? Well, once China replaced the Warezers (Cheap bootlegged ITEMS FROM Juarez Mexico) they had to find something else. This isn't reported by only Fox news BTW.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2...g-effort_x.htm

That might not be that funny LOL!

Everything is about money, look at that story about how much money TPB was making? Why no outrage there? No to mention making money off or from others labors

Funding

From wikki



So much for being Robin Hood LOL! More like just being a Hood.

From TPB!



Why send not a T-Shirt free


Can't buy music or software though uh?

Dont worry, the overwelming majority of maryiuana comes from South America, and we are doin just FINE

[MrToad]

Dont worry, the overwelming majority of maryiuana comes from South America, and we are doin just FINE

I like mine from Morocco. You know, carbon footprint and all that. Think green :P

[Tonucci]

I like mine from Morocco. You know, carbon footprint and all that. Think green :P

Moroccos's even better

But its not in large quantity like South America pot

[MrToad]

Moroccos's even better

But its not in large quantity like South America pot

True. However, Morocco is a small North African country, and South America is an entire sub-continent (no, not everything south of Texas is Mexico surprise!!!)[*]

Can't compete really

[*] Mainly for those who think of Africa as a country, and apply the same rule elsewhere

[mrcape]

Total Bologna! Down-loaders steal content from big and small, rich and poor. There are games on the $9.99 Isle that are still being downloaded. Sorry but I think Speederlander is absolutely right.

This isn't some kind of Act of Robin Hoodery, it is nothing more but thieves trying to make their thievery seem acceptable.. The other dewd giving advice like "This is similar to Movie studios in Hollywood. They are not out to make a great film, they are out to make a film that makes money." Fisking a-right they're out to make money, so does software, clothing and many others being warezed and bootlegged. What, commies don't understand how the Capitalistic Free markets work? Last time I checked, downloading movies that sucked didn't happen just like making lots of money doesn't either. If a movie sucks, word spreads pretty dag-goned fast! Guess what, it doesn't get downloaded either. Who downloads movies that suck or even average ones for that matter. Bad music doesn't have to worry about DRM, no frakkin one is downloading or copying it LOL!

What red state are you posting from? I guess we see the issues very differently.

What do you guys think will happen to megaupload, rapidshare, isohunt and the never ending list of new services that will continue to sprout up?

[Tonucci]

True. However, Morocco is a small North African country, and South America is an entire sub-continent (no, not everything south of Texas is Mexico surprise!!!)[*]

Can't compete really

[*] Mainly for those who think of Africa as a country, and apply the same rule elsewhere

Africa / South America as country's

[Speederlander]

What red state are you posting from? I guess we see the issues very differently.

What do you guys think will happen to megaupload, rapidshare, isohunt and the never ending list of new services that will continue to sprout up?

Do you believe that people should not have the right to receive compensation for their work in a fair market? Or is that somehow a "red state" idea? How is free a fair market? There is no business plan that competes with free other than begging for donations. You don't finance multi-million dollar movies, games or software titles on donation models. People will claim you can, but you can't. You either have revenues you can count on, or you don't have employees over the time between titles.

People today feel they are entitled to every last thing that can be put in digital format, movies, books, software, music. Everything is theirs for the taking because they have grown used to it. They have a litany of excuses and arguments including the corporations are evil, RIAA is evil, information should be free, movies are too expensive, games suck or are too expensive, music quality sucks, it's only to "try it out", etc. etc. etc. Always the excuses, always the reasons to get the free stuff. But in the end, that's all that matters. Free stuff fast and easy without retribution or any real effort at all. It's an entitlement. Free stuff Über Alles, get it while you can. That's all it is. Anything else is smoke and mirrors.

[Warboy]

All I gotta say is. There is a reason that some bands dump the studios and middleman. Because their freakin annoying. NIN releases EVERYTHING via torrent now legally. Sure some things you gotta pay for and then they will give you a download link. Woo big deal. That's still better then the studios.

That's all I'm going to say.

[mrcape]

Do you believe that people should not have the right to receive compensation for their work in a fair market?

Yes, but it's not a fair market with the RIAA and clearchannel writing programming for 99% or the US radio market. That's a fact, not an opinion.

[Speederlander]

Yes, but it's not a fair market with the RIAA and clearchannel writing programming for 99% or the US radio market. That's a fact, not an opinion.

How about software? How about books? How about games? How about movies? Everyone acts like the only thing anyone downloads is music because RIAA is easy to complain about.

[Speederlander]

All I gotta say is. There is a reason that some bands dump the studios and middleman. Because their freakin annoying. NIN releases EVERYTHING via torrent now legally. Sure some things you gotta pay for and then they will give you a download link. Woo big deal. That's still better then the studios.

That's all I'm going to say.

Reznor is already a multi-millionaire with a solid tour and outside business interests. All we hear is NIN and Radiohead over and over. How is their income now compared to before? Do we have those numbers? How many other bands have achieved real success in this fashion? I assume, since the model is so often held up for everyone to ohh and ahh over that there is a laundry list of bands that achieved real success by giving away all their music, yes? Who are they?

[defect9]

A guy on another forum (a music-creation forum, amazingly) made some great points talking about modern perceptions (well, more cultural perceptions), and also followed it up with some points likening music to art and books. You don't pay for a book you read in a library, and an artist doesnt get paid for every person that looks at their painting.

interesting thread, if I do say. Not saying to take it as gospel, but worth a read, IMO

[Speederlander]

A guy on another forum (a music-creation forum, amazingly) made some great points talking about modern perceptions (well, more cultural perceptions), and also followed it up with some points likening music to art and books. You don't pay for a book you read in a library, and an artist doesnt get paid for every person that looks at their painting.

interesting thread, if I do say. Not saying to take it as gospel, but worth a read, IMO

He said:

But I can go down there and pick up a copy of one of his books for $0.00 and read it.

No, the people who paid their taxes so the library could be built paid for it. The people who pay their taxes so the books can be purchased paid for it. Those books were PAID FOR. The people with the rights were duly and justly compensated for the benefit of that community.

[MrToad]

Personally, despite recognizing the evils of distribution companies and publishers, who more often than not have the best interest of a chosen few in mind, rather than the interest of their customers, their direct employees or the people they represent, I think "piracy" (blanket term that covers many different issues), in our current society model, is wrong.

Getting as a freebie what it's intended to be paid for doesn't count as social revolution. If you don't like the way things work, change them. Don't parasite the system and cloak yourself behind the unfairness of it all.