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Thread: X-Fi functionality on ANY Realtek HDA Codec!

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    Ok, so I decided to do some homework on this subject.

    Last month, Gigabyte launched something called X-Fi MB.
    This is a software suite, developed by Creative, that enables software emulation of some of Creative's exclusive features in conjunction with a realtek codec.

    This software suite isn't new. Creative has made EAX 4.0 and 2nd gen CMSS-3D available to non-EMUx0Kxx (the first being EMU10K1 from SB Live!) cards for quite a while now.
    The first card to support it was the Audigy SE, a Creative card with a simple CA-0106 codec, but supported all the Audigy's features through software emulation.

    My own laptop, Inspiron 9400, had the Audigy Advanced MB as a software upgrade option, and it has a Sigmatel STAC9200 stereo codec.
    The only difference between Audigy Advanced MB and X-FI MB is the Crystalizer, which started as a hardware feature for EMU20K1 cards, but was later dumbed down to fit mp3 players and non-EMU20K1 cards.




    The X-Fi MB in Gigabyte's website consists of:

    - Altered realtek drivers, with the driver GUI changed so it looks like an X-Fi (for free, Vista-only), but they're still pretty much realtek's drivers;
    - Creative's own X-Fi MB software suite (30-day trial).

    What the modder did was to change the gigabyte/realtek driver to bypass the hardware ID verification and install in any Realtek Azalia codec in Vista/XP. Kudos for that, but its usefulness is quite questionable, as I'll explain later.


    The problem is, while in Creative (EMUxKxx or not) cards the driver itself enables Crystalizer, Alchemy, CMSS and EAX4, in the "MB" versions it's the software suite that enables this feature.
    So unless the software suite is installed, having this driver is as usefull as.. well as nothing, really..

    Some people in the techpowerup forums (I counted 3) are claiming better analog quality.. This is either placebo or they were using old-as-hell and faulty realtek drivers to start with. It's like saying I modded my X1900XT driver to support shader model 4..
    No software update provides better analog output. Anyone with a little knowledge on digital signal processing and D/A conversion knows this. After the sound stream has passed to the analog dimension, there's nothing the software can do.
    If the codec, the DAC and the digital sound source is the same, the quality of the analog output is.. the same.
    What they could have experienced was a different pre-equalization in the driver, something they could have tweaked from the start with their old driver. However if both drivers are in "flat" mode, the sound will be the same.


    Judging from the techpowerup thread, not everyone has successfully installed this modded driver. Within those who did, not everyone could install the software suite, rendering the modded driver completely useless. Unless you like Creative's driver GUI, of course.


    So this is just that, an interesting mod that works on some (very few, apparently) non-Gigabyte realtek codecs. However, its usability only works during the 30-day trial (assuming all the features work at all, which has not been proved so far), or more if you decide to pay $30 for it. But with $30 you can buy an XtremeAudio, which does exactly the same but should have better analog connections.


    A techpowerup user tried to explain this in the original thread, but he was trolled to death (ironically being called a troll himself). I guess the techpowerup's "hive mind" is so eager to finding impossible modding miracles (like turning their crappy realtek onboard codec with 2 million transistors into a full-fledged X-Fi with 50 million transistors) that they chose to flame the first person with a reasonable opinion on the matter.
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    Hi Ket can you please modd the P5Q sound driver from Asus Website? cause the original realtek drivers

    are not 100% compattible with the Asus P5Q MBs and becuase of that there is one issue

    that bugs and is that the sound is not louder especially in headphones

    Thanks in advance

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    Quote Originally Posted by B.E.E.F. View Post
    OK. try this: Change your power settings to throttle the CPU to 100%, then come back and say software emulation of sound makes your games lag. You do realize your cpu is being dynamically adjusted, even more aggressively then a desktop one. For battery life.
    Been there, done that. This is a 17" laptop and it's always connected to the power plug. I have it constantly in High performance and the max and min processor state is 100%, just to make sure this doesn't happen.


    Quote Originally Posted by B.E.E.F. View Post
    BTW, if you're using Vista you're getting software emulation anyways.
    Using Vista doesn't mean you'll only have software emulation. With OpenAL games the X-Fi accelerates just fine and for older games the Alchemy works flawlessly.
    I am using software emulation because my soundcard, the USB X-Fi Surround 5.1 isn't a "real" (EMU20K1-equipped) X-Fi.
    It's just a codec that uses software emulation for all X-Fi features, pretty much like the X-Fi XtremeAudio and these motherboard solutions.
    That's why I know of these downsides with the performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ToTTenTranz View Post

    What the modder did was to change the gigabyte/realtek driver to bypass the hardware ID verification and install in any Realtek Azalia codec in Vista/XP. Kudos for that, but its usefulness is quite questionable, as I'll explain later.


    The problem is, while in Creative (EMUxKxx or not) cards the driver itself enables Crystalizer, Alchemy, CMSS and EAX4, in the "MB" versions it's the software suite that enables this feature.
    So unless the software suite is installed, having this driver is as usefull as.. well as nothing, really..
    Very wrong. Again I'll point you to THIS. Those results are with JUST my modded driver, not the crapative software suit. People also did not flame you, you flamed us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DuduMan007 View Post
    Hi Ket can you please modd the P5Q sound driver from Asus Website? cause the original realtek drivers

    are not 100% compattible with the Asus P5Q MBs and becuase of that there is one issue

    that bugs and is that the sound is not louder especially in headphones

    Thanks in advance
    My modded driver should work on the ALC1200 codec. Generic Realtek drivers work fine on the codec, and my modded drivers are the generic Realtek release, only modded

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ket View Post
    Very wrong. Again I'll point you to THIS. Those results are with JUST my modded driver, not the crapative software suit. People also did not flame you, you flamed us.

    All the distortion values are exactly the same between the drivers. There's no magic happening.

    If you want to know what the rest means, read this and this. You'll know that noise level and dynamic range cannot be used as measuring means since they can be artificially altered.

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    Distortion values are not everything. Other figures prove my point exactly, vanilla Realtek drivers are not very good and can be better. Both screenshots show that clearly between vanilla and modded drivers. You seem to ignore everything people say and put in front of your face. Have you even read the main thread on TPU? As far as I've read everybody has noticed a improvement in whatever area they use their sound in. I'm tempted to go into rediculous detail on everything to shut you up for good as all you are doing is trying to piss over what has been done and discredit regardless of what endless user responses say. For the sake of (again) not trawling this thread off topic (which just to remind you as I'm sure you have forgotten by now, is to record peoples experiences) I'll refrain from doing so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ket View Post
    Distortion values are not everything. Other figures prove my point exactly, vanilla Realtek drivers are not very good and can be better. Both screenshots show that clearly between vanilla and modded drivers. You seem to ignore everything people say and put in front of your face. Have you even read the main thread on TPU? As far as I've read everybody has noticed a improvement in whatever area they use their sound in. I'm tempted to go into rediculous detail on everything to shut you up for good as all you are doing is trying to piss over what has been done and discredit regardless of what endless user responses say. For the sake of (again) not trawling this thread off topic (which just to remind you as I'm sure you have forgotten by now, is to record peoples experiences) I'll refrain from doing so.

    1 - Saying "the sound is better", "vanilla realtek drivers aren't good" and making circles around that won't make the sound better. There's no logic at all in a driver change making the sound better (unless it was to correct hiss and pop issues i.e.), so you would have to prove it. Since all the "hard proof" you have is a couple of screens that you, aparently, don't even understand, I have to conclude it's not making the sound better.

    2 - I saw the thread from top to bottom and I only saw roughly 3 users who installed it successfully and claimed "better sound" (as in, they liked the different pre-equalization values). Most of them couldn't install either the driver or the software suite, rendering the mod useless.


    3 - Please, do go into "rediculous" detail on everything and try to shut me up for good. As far as I can tell, it would be your first post with some factual information and not something superficial like "the new driver sounds better", "buy an asus xonar" and "creative suckz0rs" -> both here an in the techpowerup forums.


    4 - I am respectfully making a point with hard facts and proof about the thread's subject. It's not offtopic and it's certainly not trolling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ket View Post
    Don't use the X-Fi software, doesn't work on Vista. Driver does tho.
    The X-Fi Software works on Vista X64. I used it fine for 3 months before I reformatted.

    Do you mean that the software you have linked does'nt work or are you saying creative software in general does'nt work in vista?
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    I'm surprised no one has mentioned that the asus xonar cards, don't have hardware acceleration. If anything they are overpriced versions of recording studio sound cards just with added dts certification. All they've done is put higher quality components and a nice op amp on a software audio codec.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ket View Post
    Odd.. I dont get that unsupported device thing. Closest I had to it was when I cleared out all creative / realtek stuff with driver cleaner. All I had to do was reinstall the ATi HDMI R2.03 driver from realtek.
    dose it work with the HDMI on ati cards
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldon View Post
    I'm surprised no one has mentioned that the asus xonar cards, don't have hardware acceleration. If anything they are overpriced versions of recording studio sound cards just with added dts certification. All they've done is put higher quality components and a nice op amp on a software audio codec.
    I did.. some 4 or 5 times in this thread already :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by zanzabar View Post
    dose it work with the HDMI on ati cards
    yep, worked for me
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ket View Post
    Buy a Xonar ZERO problems with drivers nomatter the OS your using
    I don't know man my Xonar DX sounded like a bowl of Rice Krispies. My XtremeAudio was an upgrade.

    Im going to have to give this driver a shot. The creative softwre allways worked fine on Vista x64 for me.
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    I'm back guys, had some system downtime. I took my PSY apart to put a fan in (which anoyingly wont fit, than this PSU has isnt _quite_ 140mm so holes dont line up :cuss: ) and I noticed a capacitor was really squashed and leaking I deffinately didn't do it, so how it passed QC I don't know. All is now well though Also during my time away I worked on a new mod driver, this is for the R2.18 release, and for XP users at least fix the the following;

    - Missing EQ in Realtek CP
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    Quote Originally Posted by KaptCrunch View Post
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    yeah i found i had to set all of creative apps to XPsp2 mode works fine now
    I used Vista 64bit with a XtremeMusic for 2 years and never had to do that..

    Right now, I'm using a X-Fi Surround 5.1 with a laptop with Vista 64bit, and I also don't have any of those problems..

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    Quote Originally Posted by KaptCrunch View Post
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    yeah i found i had to set all of creative apps to XPsp2 mode works fine now
    Creative X-Fi Platinum in 32bit MCE and Vista, all drivers and apps work.
    Auzentech Prelude using Creative Software Apps LOL! I left the YouP_Pax driver installed from the last Creative Card I had installed.

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    Its a noticable improvement for 99% of people, so its all good Drivers can't fix bad hardware (Realtek) but when done properly they can at least get the best out of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ket View Post
    Its a noticable improvement for 99% of people, so its all good Drivers can't fix bad hardware (Realtek) but when done properly they can at least get the best out of it.
    True, it was just a question and I didn't mean anything nasty
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    there yo go bringing intel into a amd thread again lol, if that was someone droping a dig at amd you would be crying like a girl.
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    slacking R2.19 is out :P

    haha
    like the work your doing =]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ket View Post
    I'm back guys, had some system downtime. I took my PSY apart to put a fan in (which anoyingly wont fit, than this PSU has isnt _quite_ 140mm so holes dont line up :cuss: ) and I noticed a capacitor was really squashed and leaking I deffinately didn't do it, so how it passed QC I don't know. All is now well though Also during my time away I worked on a new mod driver, this is for the R2.18 release, and for XP users at least fix the the following;

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    - Missing 3D positional audio

    Check first post for Vista and XP dl links

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    I think that it was a compatibility issue on my 780i. Ive heard a few other nforce owners with the same complaints. Im not sure if it was due to software or hardware.
    Ive been slacking on instaling this driver, so I havent gotten to try it out yet. I have been meaning to, but Im a procrastonator.

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    just wondering, if you can do this with the realtek chip then are you able to reproduce the same sort of thing on say the xonar?
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    also,.... Ket another request, are you able to do this for the ATI HDMI driver :P??? or no point?
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    Does this work under Windows 7 ?

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