AMD Bulldozer pushed out to 2011

[terrace215]

http://news.softpedia.com/news/AMD-0...1-106194.shtml


“Our guidance for the Bulldozer CPU core was reset to expect test silicon in late 2010 and product in 2011,” said Damon Muzny, a spokesperson for AMD, as reported by X-bit labs.

If they only get test silicon in late 2010, it's going to be some ways into 2011 to get Bulldozer architecture products out. Maybe Q3 '11?

Also notice that the accompanying slide also shows no 32nm products (for client, anyhow) until early 2011.

[perkam]

So Bulldozer @ 32nm then?

Perkam

[Shintai]

So Bulldozer @ 32nm then?

Perkam

Yep. First AMD 32nm CPU. Deneb is in for about 2½ years more in the frontline fighting Yorkfield, Nehalem, Westmere and Sandy Bridge.

Bulldozer is out about 3-6months before the first 22nm Intel CPU (Ivy Bridge).

[Helmore]

Hasn't this been known for quite a while now? If I remember correctly, AMD mentioned this when they launched Shanghai in December.

[OutSider]

is it just me or that does not sound good

[Lith]

yeah everything being delay because the recession. everyone wants to avoid the revenue loss sigh

[Extelleron]

This isn't anything we didn't already know but it definitely shows how hopeless AMD is going to be in the next 2 years or so. Deneb cannot compete with the Core 2 generation yet it is going to have to hold AMD's lineup for over 2 years, and compete against not only 32nm Nehalem parts but also a completely new architecture, Sandy Bridge.

On the server side they are in big trouble; their 6 & 12 core parts may be somewhat competitive but the clocks (especially on the Magny Cours CPU) will likely be low. And Intel will have 8-core Nehalems that should be able to beat the 12-core Magny Cours with its low clockspeeds. And that's not even considering the 32nm server parts that will eventually arrive and of course the Sandy Bridge server parts that will arrive by late 2010 or early 2011.

AMD is in for some very tough times and there is no reason, given their track record, that we can expect Bulldozer to be any kind of savior chip, either. Bulldozer was supposed to appear in 2009, now it is going to appear in 2011. Now perhaps the chip has been revised compared to what they were planning to release in '09, but regardless, it would take a substantial (sometimes 40-50%) improvement over K10 just for Bulldozer to compete with 45nm Nehalem. Meanwhile Bulldozer will compete with 32nm Sandy Bridge for a few months and then Intel's 22nm parts....

[perkam]

is it just me or that does not sound good

Actually, I just checked this out and if Bulldozer is delayed so is Deneb's successor:

The first 32 nm desktop processor from AMD will be the 2011 “Orochi”, a Bulldozer-core based CPU with more than four cores.

http://www.tgdaily.com/html_tmp/cont...40186-135.html

Seeing as Deneb is a native quad, I have my fingers crossed for 32nm shrinked Deneb sometime q4 2010

Perkam

[Shintai]

Actually, I just checked this out and if Bulldozer is delayed so is Deneb's successor:

http://www.tgdaily.com/html_tmp/cont...40186-135.html

Seeing as Deneb is a native quad, I have my fingers crossed for 32nm shrinked Deneb sometime q4 2010

Perkam

AMDs roadmaps says no 32nm K10. 32nm will only be a new arch.

[terrace215]

Actually, I just checked this out and if Bulldozer is delayed so is Deneb's successor:

http://www.tgdaily.com/html_tmp/cont...40186-135.html

Seeing as Deneb is a native quad, I have my fingers crossed for 32nm shrinked Deneb sometime q4 2010

Perkam

No such part is indicated here, at least:



Looks they are changing both process & architecture in one go, somewhat risky, but they'll be so behind they have to gamble on it.

[freeloader]

No such part is indicated here, at least:



Looks they are changing both process & architecture in one go, somewhat risky, but they'll be so behind they have to gamble on it.

They said they are going to build working Bulldozer cores on 45nm first. Engineering samples I'd imagine; before they go to 32nm production.

[DistortioniZm]

From the before mentioned article:
"The chip manufactured under the 32nm process node should come in 2011. Along with it, the company is also expected to release Ontario, with two general-purpose x86 cores, which would also feature integrated graphics, 1MB of cache and DDR3 memory support."
Does this indicate that R&D is setting a buffer for it's development by stating a 2011 rollout plan? 32 nm and below offers many new possibilities yet unexplored. I know many of us were thinking of the implications when AMD acquired ATI. Any thoughts?

[flippin_waffles]

I wonder why X-Bit is trying to make this news. They got the bloody slide from AMD's analyst day in Nov. The only difference is they cropped off the date from the bottom of the slide that says Nov. 8. It'll be curious to see who all on this forum try to take this 'news' and run with it...

[sergiojr]

AMDs roadmaps says no 32nm K10. 32nm will only be a new arch.

Don't take AMD roadmaps to heart. After Barcelona fiasco they state in roadmaps only things that are fixed. If they loosened their plans on Bulldozer-core launch date, they still have time to start developing a 32nm shrink of K10 and it'll be ready for production in late 2010.
Talking about AMD roadmaps there were no PhenomII faster than 3Ghz till Q42009 in AMD roadmaps and now we have a 3,2Ghz PhenomII in April (a half year earlier).

[largon]

This is not news.

Don't take AMD roadmaps to heart.

Exactly.

After Barcelona fiasco they state in roadmaps only things that are fixed. (...)

Not exactly.
Quote from the same slideshow as the roadmap above:

DISCLAIMER
The information presented in this document is for informational purposes only and may contain technical inaccuracies, omissions and typographical errors. The information contained herein is subject to change and may be rendered inaccurate for many reasons, including but not limited to product and roadmap changes, component and motherboard version changes, new model and/or product releases

[Macadamia]

This is not news.

Exactly. It's vague and pounces on existing info which might perfectly indicate otherwise.


But it's AMD doom so it's okay.

[Shintai]

What now? AMDs own roadmap aint good enough anymore?

Where did 32nm K10 and 45nm Bulldozer come in?

2011 will be the death of IGPs (In favour of CPU+GPU package) and all nVidia chipsets I bet.

[gallag]

Stop crying, You will ruin this thread, It is news to many.

[Chad Boga]

This is not news.

Exactly. It's vague and pounces on existing info which might perfectly indicate otherwise.

But it's AMD doom so it's okay.

If things are as you two claim, then why did an AMD spokesperson speak to X-Bit Labs about these issues on Thursday?

[informal]

What now? AMDs own roadmap aint good enough anymore?

Where did 32nm K10 and 45nm Bulldozer come in?

2011 will be the death of IGPs (In favour of CPU+GPU package) and all nVidia chipsets I bet.

First of all this is not news,like some of the users have stated. Xbit is just slow as a snail and likes to "produce" their own news. Orochi(a bulldozer based core) was pushed to 2011 a while back,and this has all to do with redesigning it and pushing it to a mature 32nm process as opposed to 45nm one. AMD said in Nov. that Orochi will not be a 2010 thing,but Xbit failed to grasp that one.

Second ,AMD won't do the new design and new process launch at the same time.This brings a lot of risks to the table and AMD will never do this. AMD will probably ramp up 32nm production with a 32nm shrink of Deneb\Shanghai in Q3/Q4 2010 and make a 4/6 core parts on it first,before they touch Bulldozer with it.

So Xbitlabs just found out what many informed people already know from November time.Kudos to them

[gOJDO]

AMD roadmaps are joke! They are promising and promising and promising....and when time comes they are postponing and postponing and postponing...

Do you remember when they were BS-ing us that Bulldozer was going to be released in 2009 and that it was going to have the fastest core for single and multi-threaded computing in computer history?

Their roadmap looks more like this:

[Chad Boga]

So Xbitlabs just found out what many informed people already know from November time.Kudos to them

Did you miss the part where the AMD spokesperson provided information to X-Bit Labs on Thursday?

[v_rr]

Yep. First AMD 32nm CPU. Deneb is in for about 2½ years more in the frontline fighting Yorkfield, Nehalem, Westmere and Sandy Bridge.

Bulldozer is out about 3-6months before the first 22nm Intel CPU (Ivy Bridge).

1- You have Istanbul, Sao Paulo, Magny Cours until then. Some of them can or can not come to desktop.
2- Orochi is set for Q1, Fusion for Q2.

[informal]

Did you miss the part where the AMD spokesperson provided information to X-Bit Labs on Thursday?

Provided 'cos they asked them .What should they do,don't answer the question,even a stupid one?
The fact is this "news" has been known since November 2008,period. Xbitlabs not knowing it and having to ask ,again,is not my problem

[ubuntu83]

Bulldozer is out about 3-6months before the first 22nm Intel CPU (Ivy Bridge).

Bulldozer is 2 to 3 months after Sandy Bridge.