32nm : some more details on WESTMERE

[Drwho?]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbV5cUKX6Hs


Just some more geeky details ... ICH is replaced with PCH ... GFX is inside the CPU ... all in video.

I hope you like it.
Don't hate me, we are beautiful

[Buckeye]

Soon eh ????

Nice video

[AuDioFreaK39]

Excellent video! Thanks Francois.

at 0:27 seconds:

"what you want to notice is that we are running at a pretty good __________ "

Not quite sure what you said there?

[Loque]

you need a monocle, every crazy scientists wear one !

lucky job right there

[Buckeye]

So as far as a gamer computer user goes, will we be replacing Core I7 920,s 940's and our 965XE's for a system like this and get away from using SLI or Quad. How does it compare to a system like that ?

Can we also add more GPU power by adding graphic cards to the mix ?

[freeloader]

"Power envelope of a light bulb", what clockspeed/voltage?

[Movieman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbV5cUKX6Hs


Just some more geeky details ... ICH is replaced with PCH ... GFX is inside the CPU ... all in video.

I hope you like it.
Don't hate me, we are beautiful

You guys are going to bankrupt me!
Here I was happy with the Harpertowns and those benchmarks had to be shown for the Gainstown system showing it to be litterally twice my X5470 system.
Now I'm sitting here twiddling my thumbs waiting for a Gainstown board to be released and you have to go and tease me with Westmere.
Why don't you just show a dual socket version of this and really drive me into a depression!
I mean finish the job..
At this rate the next overcoat I wear will look like this:

[Drwho?]

i can t comment about frequency or other details, but you can check the history of the demos, i never show lame frequencies ...

[ibby]

You guys are going to bankrupt me!
Here I was happy with the Harpertowns and those benchmarks had to be shown for the Gainstown system showing it to be litterally twice my X5470 system.
Now I'm sitting here twiddling my thumbs waiting for a Gainstown board to be released and you have to go and tease me with Westmere.
Why don't you just show a dual socket version of this and really drive me into a depression!
I mean finish the job..
At this rate the next overcoat I wear will look like this:

[T_Flight]

hahahahahhahhahahha Oh My God!

ibby! That Avatar is Hilarious! Daaayyyaaam that cracked me up!

[Tonucci]

So as far as a gamer computer user goes, will we be replacing Core I7 920,s 940's and our 965XE's for a system like this and get away from using SLI or Quad. How does it compare to a system like that ?

Can we also add more GPU power by adding graphic cards to the mix ?

Nah, just an GFX die with the CPU on the same chip wont be enough to replace discrete video cards. This one is for cost/performance for the mainstream market. And i doubt that it can speed up discrete solutions

[Blauhung]

Was that Westmere? or just the westmere core in the Clarkdale product? I'm guessing due to the fact that there's only 4 CPU's in windows that it's Clarkdale.

[gOJDO]

Where did you find my photo?

[Shintai]

65 total platform wattage at 100% CPU load. Very nice.

Blauhung and Buckeye: Westmere is the whole family name like Nehalem. These are value and mobile products. The i7 replacement is a 6 core westmere 32nm chip without graphics.

These demoed are basicly directly compared Core 2 mobile, 2000, 4000, 5000 etc series or so today.

[massman]

i can t comment about frequency or other details, but you can check the history of the demos, i never show lame frequencies ...

The C2D platform ran at pretty low speeds, didn't it? After 1:05 minutes the CB10 benchmark isn't even completed for 40%. Assuming you are indeed running a wolfdale processor with 6MB L2 cache on board, my calculations say between 2 (30% completion) and 2.5G (40% completion), leaning towards the 2G barrier rather than the 2.5G one.

However, that value is lower than any retail Wolfdale ... :-/.

(PS: I know my calculations are based om empirical data and thus contain a high risk of being incorrect.)

[Nedjo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbV5cUKX6Hs


Just some more geeky details ... ICH is replaced with PCH ... GFX is inside the CPU ... all in video.

I hope you like it.
Don't hate me, we are beautiful

don't understand this. Is the GFX "inside" CPU or beside CPU?

one more question: are you using Cinema 11 DLL's for SB10 or not?

[Helmore]

don't understand this. Is the GFX "inside" CPU or beside CPU?

one more question: are you using Cinema 11 DLL's for SB10 or not?

The GFX is on the same package as the CPU, so under the same IHS. This simplifies the system somewhat and will make for more efficient and cheaper notebooks. It's also mainly aimed at notebooks and simple office PCs, although you can still use a discrete GPU along side this CPU/IPG combo.

[R101]

don't understand this. Is the GFX "inside" CPU or beside CPU?

CPU is the whole CPU package..

And the answer to the question 'Is that GFX on the same die as cpu cores?' is pretty clear. So why the question?

[Morais]

Very good Francois, nice job you guys @ intel doing.

Francois, I know that Lynnfield is quad and dual has integrated dual channel mem. controller and integrated pci-ex controller, well known as core i5. Clarkdale is the "evolution" of Lynnfield with memory controller located on the gpu, which is located on the cpu, with 2 cores. Now the questions are: Will intel make a quad core with integrated graphics on LGA-1156? Does the mem. controler on the gpu is more effective and how much? Does the mem. controler keeps woking if I disable integrated graphics (if possible), for adding a dedicated graphics card?

Nice numbers on the power consumption

Cheers

[Shintai]

Very good Francois, nice job you guys @ intel doing.

Francois, I know that Lynnfield is quad and dual has integrated dual channel mem. controller and integrated pci-ex controller, well known as core i5. Clarkdale is the "evolution" of Lynnfield with memory controller located on the gpu, which is located on the cpu, with 2 cores. Now the questions are: Will intel make a quad core with integrated graphics on LGA-1156? Does the mem. controler on the gpu is more effective and how much? Does the mem. controler keeps woking if I disable integrated graphics (if possible), for adding a dedicated graphics card?

Nice numbers on the power consumption

Cheers

There is no dualcore i5 (Lynnfield is a quad only). Clarkdale is i3. Right now there is no direct Lynnfield replacement. Tho it may come. But i3 will come first on 32nm. Then i7 on 32nm.

So Clarkdale is not the evolution of Lynnfield.

The memory controller on the GPU in Clarkdale is nothing new. Its the same way the G45, G35, G965 etc etc waaaay back works. And nothing stopped you back then from adding a discrete GFX card in your system with IGP. Same applies for this.

If we change to a Core2/G45 metaphor. Its "just" the 2 chips on the same package.

[Mumak]

Right. Clarkdale (Westmere-based CPU core = Nehalem shrink to 32nm + AES-NI) is 'evolution' of Havendale (recently cancelled Nehalem-based 45nm CPU core = Gilo).
The MCH part (Ironlake) is still the same 45nm placed on MCP. To me it seems as a reduced Eaglelake MCH.
Silimar applies to Mobile segment: Auburndale (cancelled) -> Arrandale.

*.* of this info was already publicly disclosed (maybe except the MCP part codenames)

There is no dualcore i5 (Lynnfield is a quad only). Clarkdale is i3. Right now there is no direct Lynnfield replacement. Tho it may come. But i3 will come first on 32nm. Then i7 on 32nm.

So Clarkdale is not the evolution of Lynnfield.

The memory controller on the GPU in Clarkdale is nothing new. Its the same way the G45, G35, G965 etc etc waaaay back works. And nothing stopped you back then from adding a discrete GFX card in your system with IGP. Same applies for this.

If we change to a Core2/G45 metaphor. Its "just" the 2 chips on the same package.

[Morais]

Thanks for the clear up , westmere seems to be an awesome update from nehalem.

Cheers

[Drwho?]

Very good Francois, nice job you guys @ intel doing.

Francois, I know that Lynnfield is quad and dual has integrated dual channel mem. controller and integrated pci-ex controller, well known as core i5. Clarkdale is the "evolution" of Lynnfield with memory controller located on the gpu, which is located on the cpu, with 2 cores. Now the questions are: Will intel make a quad core with integrated graphics on LGA-1156? Does the mem. controler on the gpu is more effective and how much? Does the mem. controler keeps woking if I disable integrated graphics (if possible), for adding a dedicated graphics card?

Nice numbers on the power consumption

Cheers

I can't answer the question about the QuadCore with integrated GFX.

In the mean time, we said that Lyndfield and ClarkDale(32nm Dual Core + Hyperthreading + GFx) are getting into the same motherboard.

I see a lot of people wondering why we did put the mem controller on the Gfx, in fact, after 3 years of Study, we came to the conclusion that it does not make any performance difference, in fact, the connection in the Processor packaging are so fast, that it is really less that what we thought. Very very very small, smaller than the most accurate run to run variation of the best benchy.

For those wondering about the multi dice packaging vs "native" dice ... we all know what happen to the 1st native quad core ... it was too big to match any good yield, and it could not get any frequency, Kendfield and yorkfield were doing much better ... Doing a single dice and stretching your FABs to get the native 1st is kind of expensive, and does not make any financial sense. To pay for the next Fab, you need to think what you are doing 5 years a head. Intel just decided to put 7Billion dollars in the Fabs, because we can pay for it, due to the good fab health, not trashing many dices ...
Multiple packaging showed in the last 3 years that it does make much more sense than a Big Dice, even if you yields are very good. On the top of this, a Big dice is hot ... Fusion is the melting point, from Solid to liquide, and I expect it ... Just kidding fan boys ... just kidding ... don't take this seriously (the fusion comment)

32nm rocks!

[Shintai]

One thing you forgot Frog^h^hancois (kidding ) is that Clarkdale is the new "Celeron/Pentium". So besides utilizing 45nm fabs aswell for the IGP. It also needs to be cheap in every way. Specially with reduced chipset revenue. You basicly sell the same old 2 pieces now for the price of only 1.

I´m really looking forward to the 45nm HighK+Metal GMA "5000" series. A big shot from the old 90nm process. It would be like making the RD790 on 28nm from its current 55nm.

[Drwho?]

@Shintai ... I hope for our competitor that it is more than just a "Celeron/Pentium" , otherwise, they will only have product that are lower then Celeron ... hummm hummmm
My advise ... when you make a statement, think about Both side of the arguement ...
take it easy!
Francois