Retail Q9650 Overclocking Thread

[Jor3lBR]

Hey guys, unfortunately for me this was a very unpleasant CPU. Nothing I did would read less then the stuck temps at 32-34-34-35, I used Everest, RealTemp, CoreTemp and OCCT and got the same readings from both. Very annoying and after running some failed attempts at 450x9(BSOD'd within seconds after boot) and 8x475(wouldn't even boot), I decided to RMA this chip. If it had actually OC'ed well and not been max VID I might have kept it despite the annoyingly stuck temp sensors. Good news is that NewEgg accepted my request from a replacement and it should be here sometime close to Tuesday after next. For my test runs I increased VTT all the way up to 1.4 and left vcore on auto evertime, I used 1.38NB and 1.54PLL, left my RAM at default and kept the PL at 10 to remove the possibility that my RAM was causing the instability's. Only thing I did not try was one of KET's modded bios's but in the next week I will use my old Q6700 and mess around with a mBIOS to see if they improve max FSB(~460) for my old chip.

The price cut on these chips made Intel ship sub-par cpu's to stores, most of them with stuck sensors and poor Ociers...

[LiquidReactor]

The price cut on these chips made Intel ship sub-par cpu's to stores, most of them with stuck sensors and poor Ociers...

Are you serious?
So would you recommend getting one now.

[Jor3lBR]

Are you serious?
So would you recommend getting one now.

I can't say this is entirely TRUE but I have yet to find a new Q9650 (small box with white and blue on it) that has healthy sensors.

I haven't done enough comparisons to say that is a law.

I would wait and see how the new small box Q9650 are doing first, or get an old big blue box one from eBay.

[kill_a_wat]

Jorlbr where you getting that info from? Is that official or hearsay?

Just got back from o/c'ing my mates Q9650 1.225VID. So far so good and its done 4410Mhz P95 blend stable (overnight run) but the chip runs hot...i think its the tradeoff with a lower VID chip. So he is running it at 4.3Ghz atm @ 1.36v (dual back to back 30 run IBT stable, P95 not yet tested but P95 shouldn't be any problems )

Anyone else with a 1.225VID that runs say 5-10c hotter @ same volts vs a 1.25VID. I think they definetly have more o/c potential than there higher VID brothers but offset is strong cooling required

[Jor3lBR]

Jorlbr where you getting that info from? Is that official or hearsay?

Just got back from o/c'ing my mates Q9650 1.225VID. So far so good and its done 4410Mhz P95 blend stable (overnight run) but the chip runs hot...i think its the tradeoff with a lower VID chip. So he is running it at 4.3Ghz atm @ 1.36v (dual back to back 30 run IBT stable, P95 not yet tested but P95 shouldn't be any problems )

Anyone else with a 1.225VID that runs say 5-10c hotter @ same volts vs a 1.25VID. I think they definetly have more o/c potential than there higher VID brothers but offset is strong cooling required

It's not hearsay it's what I've seen from personal experience so far.

I guess if you get a new small boxed Q9650 that has 1.225VID and no stuck sensors that should be good.

[LiquidReactor]

Jorlbr where you getting that info from? Is that official or hearsay?

Just got back from o/c'ing my mates Q9650 1.225VID. So far so good and its done 4410Mhz P95 blend stable (overnight run) but the chip runs hot...i think its the tradeoff with a lower VID chip. So he is running it at 4.3Ghz atm @ 1.36v (dual back to back 30 run IBT stable, P95 not yet tested but P95 shouldn't be any problems )

Anyone else with a 1.225VID that runs say 5-10c hotter @ same volts vs a 1.25VID. I think they definetly have more o/c potential than there higher VID brothers but offset is strong cooling required

You're also live in Australia, right? Might be a delay there b/c of shipping etc.

[PortCitySlim]

The price cut on these chips made Intel ship sub-par cpu's to stores, most of them with stuck sensors and poor Ociers...

Thanks for the info, I will be getting another chip for a replacement in about 10 days and of course I will update with info on it. If I get another small box CPU with stuck sensors that is a poor overclocker I will definitely let you know, and NEWEGG too. If this is the case I will be demanding a refund or another replacement until they send me a Q9650 without stuck sensors, nothing aggravates me more then not knowing what temp my CPU is idling at, sure I could pump 100% load to it and get a reading but anything under 50% load and my CPU temp was below the stuck sensor reading of ~34C.

[onthepulse]

The price cut on these chips made Intel ship sub-par cpu's to stores, most of them with stuck sensors and poor Ociers...

Want to know if this is really true or not. I also live in Aus and couldn't care for an i7 system. Q9650 is looking awfully tasty... Hope they're not reject chips...

How about the Q9550s? Any changes in results/monitors on those?

[PortCitySlim]

Want to know if this is really true or not. I also live in Aus and couldn't care for an i7 system. Q9650 is looking awfully tasty... Hope they're not reject chips...

How about the Q9550s? Any changes in results/monitors on those?

I do not think that it is 100% absolute that you will get a broke chip, however the likely hood of getting a higher VID or poor overclocking chip may have been increased. To me I do not think Intel cares weather or not the chips overclock well, but during the tail end of a chips production I do believe that the quality of the chip gets worse. With my last 2 Q6700's they were max VIDS and crappy overclockers both bought last summer right when Intel quit making them. So if Intel plans or already has stoped production of the Q9650 then I think they will begin to ship more and more poor overclockers and less "golden" chips

[TheGanG]

I do not think that it is 100% absolute that you will get a broke chip, however the likely hood of getting a higher VID or poor overclocking chip may have been increased. To me I do not think Intel cares weather or not the chips overclock well, but during the tail end of a chips production I do believe that the quality of the chip gets worse. With my last 2 Q6700's they were max VIDS and crappy overclockers both bought last summer right when Intel quit making them. So if Intel plans or already has stoped production of the Q9650 then I think they will begin to ship more and more poor overclockers and less "golden" chips

agree...



Is "low vid CPUs are not extreme overclockers" and "CPUs with stuck sensors are not good ones" myth true?

I have my E8600 with stuck sensors, 34°C-41°C are lowest temps it shows and has a mid-high range vid, but clocks and performs pretty good. My Q9650 has stuck sensors too (i think), but works good and clocks as well.

Does CoreTemp shows real vid?

[PortCitySlim]

Is "low vid CPUs are not extreme overclockers" and "CPUs with stuck sensors are not good ones" myth true?

Does CoreTemp shows real vid?

#1. High VID chips tend to be harder to overclock up to a certain speed and then everything seems to even out, you either get a chip that needs tons of vcore to push 4.2ghz or a get a chip that hits 4.2ghz with low volts but at a cost of higher heat(Generally). As far as trying to overclock on air I would much rather have a lower VID chip.

#2. Stuck sensors do not have anything to do with overclocking, but it is very annoying not being able to read idle-mid load temps. Of course having a stuck sensor is a bad thing but not in the sense of overclockability.

#3. I would hope the latest version of Coretemp(0.99.4-64bit) would display the correct VID. When I get a chip even if it is a high VID I still try to overclock it before branding it a "lemon" there is always the chance a high VID chip will turn out to be a bad a$$.


Edit: I want to point out that the chip I had to RMA not only had stuck sensors but would not boot at > 450FSB no matter the volts. My motherboard/bios/ram should not be the problem because as we speak my Q6700 is running rock stable at 460FSB.

[TheGanG]

I want to point out that the chip I had to RMA not only had stuck sensors but would not boot at > 450FSB no matter the volts. My motherboard/bios/ram should not be the problem because as we speak my Q6700 is running rock stable at 460FSB.

Got a 6* max FSB run?

Thanks, got new CoreTemp now, trying at the moment.

[mreld3r]

My chip read the vid as 1.1 in coretemp on a p35 mobo, AND it defaulted to 1.1 Vcore. When I changed mobo's the vid and default Vcore went up to 1.225.
RealTemp reads mine as low vid 1.1 and high vid 1.225. Everest also reads my vid now @ 1.225. I'm running mine now @ 4.000ghz 9x multi. prime and intelburntest completely stable @ 1.3 Vcore bios and 1.264 Vcpu-z. Im sure that I can lower that a little, but i haven't tried yet. My problem is that one of my sensors (cpu0) reads almost 10c higher than the rest at full throttle.
That is kinda alarming really. Especially with intelBurnTest. That program scares the hell outta me. It will really heat up the cpu fast.
Even with the factory HSF on another mobo cpu0 was still a lot higher. So its not an issue with the seating of the HSF. I reseated it several times with both HSF's. Now I'm running a Big Typhoon and the temps across MOST of my sensors are about 60c at full throttle. I have a LC setup in the works. Im poor and have to wait till payday to get the last piece (cpu block). Right now the choice is a GTZ. Still kinda looking at a DTEK Fusion a little though.
All of my sensors read 37 degrees @ idle right now. Im not sure if they are stuck or not, i dont usually look at my idle temps. BUT they are the same @ idle. How can it be possible for one cpu to be 10c higher than the others when they are RIGHT next to each other. That seems like a really big difference really. im gonna play with RealTemp sensor test now. I dont have a clue what it is testing, but im gonna find out.

[mreld3r]

Apparently the difference is not so bad at lower tempuratures. How does this look to everyone else. Does yours look the same? My last chip (dual core) was almost the same temp across both cores and they "tracked" the same across the temp changes.



Have a look at the last 2 cores,,they are perfect. The EXACT same.

[Zucker2k]

Edit: I want to point out that the chip I had to RMA not only had stuck sensors but would not boot at > 450FSB no matter the volts. My motherboard/bios/ram should not be the problem because as we speak my Q6700 is running rock stable at 460FSB.

This is from one whose 9650 has stuck temps at 32/32/37/37. I think this rumor about overclockability is nothing but a rumor. My chip, which has a vid. of 1.250v overclocks like any other; on x48 mind you. There are too many variables when it comes to people's results that it is a mixed bag of chips when user tries to duplicate the results of another user; eg. user, cpu+board combo, ambient, rams, etc.

About your result, I believe you gave that pc too much volts; at least you may have gotten the voltages messed up somewhat. These chips without exception will do 450 fsb on the right board and with the right combination of volts. The stuck temp sucks, but the load temp is what matters. I never thought I'd see the day when a 4Ghz easy chip will get RMA'ed for being a poor clocker.

[Jor3lBR]

This is from one whose 9650 has stuck temps at 32/32/37/37. I think this rumor about overclockability is nothing but a rumor. My chip, which has a vid. of 1.250v overclocks like any other; on x48 mind you. There are too many variables when it comes to people's results that it is a mixed bag of chips when user tries to duplicate the results of another user; eg. user, cpu+board combo, ambient, rams, etc.

About your result, I believe you gave that pc too much volts; at least you may have gotten the voltages messed up somewhat. These chips without exception will do 450 fsb on the right board and with the right combination of volts. The stuck temp sucks, but the load temp is what matters. I never thought I'd see the day when a 4Ghz easy chip will get RMA'ed for being a poor clocker.

This is not the first time Intel does that, wouldn't be surprised (Q6600, Q6700 etc).

[Makubex_GB]

VID: 1.25v
Batch: L822B363
Room Temp: 26C
Bios: Ket's 1702 mBios

http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=502538

[radaja]

this is just my opinion but every cpu that ive owned has had 1 or 2 stuck sensors,mind you i have not owned a lot (4 intel in total).but i dont think the stuck sensors have anything to do with how well they OC,there are just poorly designed sensors.now to the low vid.out of the four cpus,one e8400's vid was 1.22 and it OCed about the same as the other cpu's which were all 1.25.the only real difference was the low vid ran alot hotter.so i was happy when my 9650 arrived and it was 1.25 at least it wouldnt run so hot.and like zucker2k said you cant buy a chip and just because its the same exact batch # and vid as anothers user who managed a very high OC at low volts,does not mean it will perform the exact same for you.too many variables to be considered(board,psu,cooling,ram,and user).just look back in this thread where everyone thought that only the B chips could achieve the extreme clocks.that was not 100% true,but at the time people were buying and sending back chips because they were A chips.now remember just an opinion.

[andressergio]

This is the new small Q9650 box, all in white and blue



This is the normal Q9650 box all in blue only label in white

[radaja]

yea i got the top one,small white and blue

[TheGanG]

Bought big blue one L825B425 / pack date 09/17/08

Which one is better (good ocer)?

[WhiteFireDragon]

what memory are you guys using to hit 1200mhz? it seems there are not many that can run at these speeds for 24/7 stability. right now i'm stuck at 493fsb and i'm trying to get the last 7, but i think my crappy memory is limiting me. they're 1066 tracers trying to run 5:6 at 6-6-6, almost reaching 1200

[radaja]

im using cellshock pc8000cl4 kits.but i think some here are using the g.skill 9600's,very expensive at the moment.

[PortCitySlim]

About your result, I believe you gave that pc too much volts; at least you may have gotten the voltages messed up somewhat. These chips without exception will do 450 fsb on the right board and with the right combination of volts. The stuck temp sucks, but the load temp is what matters. I never thought I'd see the day when a 4Ghz easy chip will get RMA'ed for being a poor clocker.

I might not have the experience you have with overclocking, but when I do test a new chip I keep it simple. I stated the bios setting I used before but here is the run down. I backed down my ram to PL 10 and auto settings for mostly everything(On my old quad I can run PL8 with 450FSB just fine), I did this to make sure that RAM was not an issue if I had any stability problems. I set the Vcore to auto, when trying to see where to begin with vcore I always start about 0.04v less then what CPUZ reports on auto. I set my NB to 1.38 and VTT to 1.40(Highest safe setting I know of for VTT with the intension of lowering later if I could), Ram was stock at 1.9v. I set CPU PLL to 1.54 although I could go up to 1.58-1.60 safe on 45nm according to Leeghoofd. I have never messed with GTL Ref volts, I always leave them on auto. I also turn all the Speedsteping/VT/Disable bit stuff off in the CPU tab.So given the above info, I was very surprised when I booted to 9x450 and got instant BSOD's, then when I tried 8x475 I could not boot period but 8x425 ran just fine.

I see it this way, there are plenty of people here who have Q9650's without stuck sensors, and when I pay the same price for my chip as they did why should I expect anything less? I did not RMA my chip because it was a poor overclocker, I RMA'd it because it had stuck sensors and wouldn't really overclock at all. Like you said these things are easy 4.0ghz+ overclockers and to suggest that it is impossible that I got one that was jacked up and would not hit 4.0ghz on a P5Q-D P45 board with the latest bios and the setting I mentioned above is kind of far fetched. Now, your comments are reasonable though, I did not give this chip a deep look through because my return/replacement warranty was running out and I had to make the choice of spending a lot of time trying to figure out the problem and running the risk of not being able to return it if it was a dud or just returning it and hoping for the best with a replacement.

BTW, username Makubex_GB has the same CPU/Mobo/Ram as I do and used one of KET's modded bios's and got awesome results with a 1.25VID chip. When I get my replacement I will be posting results and asking for help here in this thread or the P5Q-D thread.

[PortCitySlim]

Bought big blue one L825B425 / pack date 09/17/08

Which one is better (good ocer)?

My bet would be on the older one, the one you bought. But it is still hit and miss with these things. If I had a choice I would go with the older box CPU but it might not matter at all