The new Scythe Mugen 2 vs Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme-1366

[painkilla]

can you test it again but now with push-pull for both coolers and in addition 3 or 4 fans on scythe. Then you really know which is best. And after that all a final test with both lapped.

[Blademaster]

Excelent tests.

Parabéns, rapaz

[PcCI2iminal]

As I can see new Infinity has a higher fins density than its elder version, doesn't it?
Could you test it in the case?

not now ,cz i have no spare case but in March i will update my main pc, an old and truted LGA775 for a Nehalem system and then i will use that Mugen2 and of course i will test it

and ok guys the next will be 2 in and 2 out vs True @ 1 in and 1 out

[Mech0z]

Is the mounting easy on this thing? That new mounting system looks pretty neat. Wonder if its worth changing my old Infinity

[Gendo]

Funny, I just finished reviewing the Mugen 2 and my comparison to the true shows the complete opposite of your tests

The review is in Dutch but you can see the graphs here

[celemine1Gig]

Funny, I just finished reviewing the Mugen 2 and my comparison to the true shows the complete opposite of your tests

The review is in Dutch but you can see the graphs here

It's not funny, this is called physics.

A few minor differences in the test setups and the heatsinks themselfs and they perform differently. Perhaps your TRUE's base was not as flat as PcCI2iminal's. Or his CPU's IHS and the TRUE's base matched better etc. ...
The list goes on.

The thing is: The results are very close. Within a range of a few degrees. So, it's quite easy to get different results.

[L'enFer]

Why do so many people here like to explain TRUE's loose to other heatsinks by the imperfection of its surface? No doubt, it'a a really great cooler, but there're also many other heatsinks which can perform as well as U120 eXtreme do. For example, a new Thermolab Baram. It can beat the TRUE and even if there's temperature difference it will not be more than 2 degree. But Baram is cheaper, its base is well polished and there's no need to improve it.

I saw the test where SI-128SE beated TRUE in case, but TRUE performed better on the opened stand.

IFX-14 can also outperform Ultra 120 eXtreme (I know about Vapor's comparison of TRUE, TRUE Cu and IFX-14, but actually the results seem to me a little strange).

Anyway the choice is yours, but for price/performance criteria TRUE isn't the best anymore if it was it at another time.

[celemine1Gig]

Why do so many people here like to explain TRUE's loose to other heatsinks by the imperfection of its surface? No doubt, it'a a really great cooler, but there're also many other heatsinks which can perform as well as U120 eXtreme do. For example, a new Thermolab Baram. It can beat the TRUE and even if there's temperature difference it will not be more than 2 degree. But Baram is cheaper, its base is well polished and there's no need to improve it.

I saw the test where SI-128SE beated TRUE in case, but TRUE performed better on the opened stand.

IFX-14 can also outperform Ultra 120 eXtreme (I know about Vapor's comparison of TRUE, TRUE Cu and IFX-14, but actually the results seem to me a little strange).

Anyway the choice is yours, but for price/performance criteria TRUE isn't the best anymore if it was it at another time.

As you clearly referred to my posting above, you seem to have misunderstood what I wanted to say.

Did I say that the TRUE will always be superior?

The point is the following:
-the TRUE is an amazing heatsink design with a very poor base finish in most cases
-BUT there are lots of other really great designs out there, like for example this new MUGEN 2 that perform just as good

What I said is that they all perform so good that it is hard spot a real measurable difference. You could repeat the tests 10 times and maybe in at least 50% of the tests you would have a different winner than in the one before. Most likely due to some circumstances that influenced the results. Once the results get very close, the margin of error begins to play a really important role.

[L'enFer]

Well, actually I was not referring to your post. Any comparison with TRUE where it looses makes people think about how good base of the TRUE was.

[Vapor]

Each HSF is different....I bet if you bought 10 Mugen2s and 10 TRUEs, you'd get a pretty wide range of performance

[L'enFer]

Then it's necessary to test not less than 10 same heatsinks and get an average result...

[Vapor]

Or just have a lot of people do the tests and have a cumulative conclusion

Each data point is valid...more data points are more valid though

[L'enFer]

Anyway... If there was standards for testing heatsinks ...

[Vapor]

Anyway... If there was standards for testing heatsinks ...

Like what?

[L'enFer]

Room temperature, case, amount of blowing in/out fans in it, thermal compound, etc...

[celemine1Gig]

Room temperature, case, amount of blowing in/out fans in it, thermal compound, etc...

And who would pay the people conducting the tests to be able to apply to all these standards?

I'm sorry but you are getting kinda unrealistic.
You should keep in mind that the enthusiast market is not the part of the IT market where most of the money is made.
It may have come a long way and now each and every idiot claims to be able to "build" a computer and understand how it works. However, this doesn't mean that it's as important as to introduce standards for heatsink testing for example.

BTW, if you have a bit of background knowledge in the field of physics/engineering and such, you should be able to decide on your own which tests seem reliable and which are not. I really really doubt that we ever will see any kind of standards or something in that range for enthusiast only sections like extreme air-cooling.

[L'enFer]

BTW, if you have a bit of background knowledge in the field of physics/engineering and such, you should be able to decide on your own which tests seem reliable and which are not. I really really doubt that we ever will see any kind of standards or something in that range for enthusiast only sections like extreme air-cooling.

There're not so many people who describe test conditions. Most of all just write about hardware and room temps.

I put a smile in the end of my post, so the idea of making test standards wasn't serious.

[celemine1Gig]

There're not so many people who describe test conditions. Most of all just write about hardware and room temps.

I put a smile in the end of my post, so the idea of making test standards wasn't serious.

Sorry, didn't notice that. Anyway, it would be nice to have those standards, as it would be nice to be rich and famous and all that.

I just doubt that it'll happen any time soon, at least to me.

And if the testers don't describe all the needed facts to make their work trustworthy, you could always ask for the missing info. If they don't have the data, then you know that you perhaps shouldn't really trust their results. Quite easy, isn't it.

[L'enFer]

Quite easy, isn't it.

Let it be so.

[PcCI2iminal]

There're not so many people who describe test conditions. Most of all just write about hardware and room temps.

I put a smile in the end of my post, so the idea of making test standards wasn't serious.

well its not a fully review and thats why i posted at air cooling section and not in review section but you right more information is always better

well ,Scythe is a good and trusted sink maker(i love Scythe) and for daily use the Scythe can match the great sinks on market but when I need to push hard and under heavy load the only good for me is TRUE ,he is untouchable under heavy OC

[L'enFer]

QX9650 @ 4ghz Thermalright IFX14

Did you try to overclock it under TRUE?

[icecold316]

True Cu Vs Mugen 2 on Intel Core 2 Duo E8600@4GHZ

http://www.pc-experience.de/wbb2/thr...threadid=28437

After seeing the stats from above link, I am very happy with my purchase of Mugen2. I will be installing my Mugen 2 today on my I7 rig.

[Vapor]

My Mugen 2 just got here

My old HSF testbed was visited by the Grim Reaper though So it may be awhile before I get data up as I rebuild a useful database of results.

[PcCI2iminal]

Did you try to overclock it under TRUE?

yep ,Mugen2 is good enough for most of us and of course you can put some extra fans but in same conditions the TRUE can hold the situation a bit better than Mugen2 and the situation what im talkin about is Care i7 @ 4400MHz+ @ full load

[L'enFer]

PcCI2iminal, thanks for reply.
Are you going to test Thermolab Baram? I read one review, but as we found out the more the better.