AMD Phenom II Review Thread

[savantu]

Let's not forget that the first review was made by the hwbox.gr! Their results were inline with the results we see from today's reviews. So some hardcore AMD fanboys who were bi*ching at the results are owing an apology to the greek gurus.

So to sum it up:
- Deneb is great only as an upgrade for those who have AM2/AM2+ platforms.
- It offers no advantage over what is available on the market for quite some time.

Let's see if the ing crowd has the backbone to apologize.

[freeloader]

Dude, relax it's just hardware. On a side note, did anybody take a look at the batch consignment of the randomly picked cpus that were tested in the AMD demos? Those may be the ones to get.

I'm relaxed. I'm just tired of reading all the BS that people spew.

I'll tell everyone here. GET OFF THE UPGRADE TRAIN AND SAVE YOURSELF SOME AGGREVATION AND MONEY.

[ryboto]

For gaming Phenom 2 looks horrible. With basicly Q9400 area for the 940.

How many people are still gaming on 15'' CRT's? These are CPU bound tests, no? Just about all of us here are using higher resolutions, the story is just as grim when we up the quality?

[savantu]

How many people are still gaming on 15'' CRT's? These are CPU bound tests, no? Just about all of us here are using higher resolutions, the story is just as grim when we up the quality?

98% of people are using 1280/1024 or less.I consider this resolution to be far more representative than those where you need a high end card only to get over 20fps.

Secondly , the point is to show CPU power.It pointless to go GPU limited where both a dual core and a i7 965 have the same score while their computing power is different by a factor of 3-4x.

At the very least , it shows which CPU is better positioned to handle future , more demanding games.

[cegras]

98% of people are using 1280/1024 or less.I consider this resolution to be far more representative than those where you need a high end card only to get over 20fps.

Secondly , the point is to show CPU power.It pointless to go GPU limited where both a dual core and a i7 965 have the same score while their computing power is different by a factor of 3-4x.

At the very least , it shows which CPU is better positioned to handle future , more demanding games.

Hang on, hang on a second. Before even debating your percentage figure, don't you agree that it is paradoxical to suggest that people buy a Q9400 or Core i7 to game at 19" resolution?

(Spoiler: If you had the money to buy that, you might as well have upgraded to a higher resolution in the first place)

I mean, people on that kind of resolution will still be running dual cores and 9600GT's .. like me!

[ryboto]

98% of people are using 1280/1024 or less.I consider this resolution to be far more representative than those where you need a high end card only to get over 20fps.

Secondly , the point is to show CPU power.It pointless to go GPU limited where both a dual core and a i7 965 have the same score while their computing power is different by a factor of 3-4x.

At the very least , it shows which CPU is better positioned to handle future , more demanding games.

I can't argue your first point, because I can't say for a fact, as you have, that that is the resolution 98% of people use. I doubt that's the case for the buyers interested in purchasing a Quad core system. edit: Cegras beat me to the point I was trying to make while I was writing! kudos!

I would also contest the justification based on your second point. I would much rather see how it performs at all resolutions, to get an idea of the performance scaling.

Your third point makes the most sense out of the three, and I agree with it.

[MrMojoZ]

Hang on, hang on a second. Before even debating your percentage figure, don't you agree that it is paradoxical to suggest that people buy a Q9400 or Core i7 to game at 19" resolution?

I'd say anything he could post to show Intel in a more postive light is fair game.

Who would have thought that the Phenom II review thread would have turned into a pro-Intel dumping ground.

[Shintai]

If we argue about the res...why even buy a Phenom 1/2 in the first place? The X2 would do fine...

And what about tomorrows games? Or games like supreme commander?

Seems desperation is on the rise...

[Eastcoasthandle]

I think we need to hold off until we see results using DDR3. That should give a more clear picture of where PII stands IMO.

[duploxxx]

Let's not forget that the first review was made by the hwbox.gr! Their results were inline with the results we see from today's reviews. So some hardcore AMD fanboys who were bi*ching at the results are owing an apology to the greek gurus.

So to sum it up:
- Deneb is great only as an upgrade for those who have AM2/AM2+ platforms.
- It offers no advantage over what is available on the market for quite some time.

and buying a dead platform with no new cpu releases at all is a better solution according to you.

as if all already own a microarchitecture and if so willing to keep the board and is at least @ p35. that's what some call narrow view. joined the shintel club again?

it performs good enough to compete at current price point nothing more nothing less, oc is also more then competitive enough not to mention any decent review with nb oc to 2,4-2,6.

[MrMojoZ]

If we argue about the res...why even buy a Phenom 1/2 in the first place? The X2 would do fine...

Seems desperation is on the rise...

Yeah, if you throw out every benchmark Phenoms do well in they look terrible!!

[accord99]

Hang on, hang on a second. Before even debating your percentage figure, don't you agree that it is paradoxical to suggest that people buy a Q9400 or Core i7 to game at 19" resolution?

The same people though would probably be upgrading their video cards on a regular basis, therefore a test that actually shows the influence of the CPU is far more useful than one where every CPU scores roughly the same.

[gOJDO]

I think we need to hold off until we see results using DDR3. That should give a more clear picture of where PII stands IMO.

DDR3 can't change anything...but, the hope dies last.

[Maxxximum]

Hmm. It's crazy. We are all here for the same reason i presume. Uor love for hardware and computers.Aren't we? then why does every thread end up this way?? I'm new here on this forum and i don't get it? I'ts all about "mine is bigger than yours". Sad.

Well i thnk it's nice to see the phenom2 performing like it does.I'm looking forward to get a chip that clocks alittle better than the one i have rigth now.

And all you guys with i7 and super clocked qxxxx. : Well i'm just as happy to see when you break a record, but there is god winners and bad winners, and not all in here are god winners, but i guess you know who you are

[largon]

Deneb is an upgrade by looking from a Q6600.
So I'm buying. And since I have no interest in LGA775 platform anymore after going through 4 mobos and 6 CPUs and i7 is not even an option...

..Deneb for me. I hope I'll get back the fun of OC'ing I lost when moving to Core 2.

[Lestat]

We have posted a review of the AMD Phenom II 940 X4 sitting on an MSI DKA790GX Platinum for your viewing pleasure.

hitechlegion is proud to be an AMD lauch partner for the Phenom II!

http://hitechlegion.com/reviews/processors/123-p2940x4

pretty good stuff if i do say so myself.

[Jacky]

I would also contest the justification based on your second point. I would much rather see how it performs at all resolutions, to get an idea of the performance scaling.

No, you don't. It's still the same code that will run on the CPU, so they will perform similar, just the gap will be smaller and you will be looking at GPU performance.

Hmm. It's crazy. We are all here for the same reason i presume. Uor love for hardware and computers.Aren't we? then why does every thread end up this way?? I'm new here on this forum and i don't get it? I'ts all about "mine is bigger than yours". Sad.

What are you talking about? I haven't seen such civilised discussion in a long time.

[[XC] gomeler]

Graphs are tiny and this belongs in the Phenom II review thread.

[JoeBar]

I think we need to hold off until we see results using DDR3. That should give a more clear picture of where PII stands IMO.

U can't expect DDR3 to change the whole picture, can u...?

[Eastcoasthandle]

U can't expect DDR3 to change the whole picture, can u...?

I would like to see both DDR2 and DDR3 results

[largon]

I'm not expecting any gains from DDR3 as Hammer has never been bandwidth sensitive. And Deneb is not that big an improvement...

[ryboto]

No, you don't. It's still the same code that will run on the CPU, so they will perform similar, just the gap will be smaller and you will be looking at GPU performance.

No I don't what? want all resolutions? I remember one review where the i7 systems framreate dropped after certain resolutions in a few games. I guess if I think about it, I wouldn't have been offended if they'd done it, because you're buying a platform if you go either camp, so wouldn't it be good to know how that platform performs in situations you'd actually use it(specifically games in this case)?

[Lestat]

thanks for moving my thread,(whom ever did it) i was going to put it in here but i didnt know how cluttered and lost this thread was.

[ryboto]

If we argue about the res...why even buy a Phenom 1/2 in the first place? The X2 would do fine...

And what about tomorrows games? Or games like supreme commander?

Seems desperation is on the rise...

Really though, you think people who buy a quad core based system are using 1280x1024? Sure the lower resolutions are good to examine CPU power, but the CPU is part of the platform, what's the harm in seeing how it pushes the games at full quality? We already knew it wasn't really competitive at lower resolutions based on the hwbox(right?) review.

[roofsniper]

Let's not forget that the first review was made by the hwbox.gr! Their results were inline with the results we see from today's reviews. So some hardcore AMD fanboys who were bi*ching at the results are owing an apology to the greek gurus.

So to sum it up:
- Deneb is great only as an upgrade for those who have AM2/AM2+ platforms.
- It offers no advantage over what is available on the market for quite some time.

i think it would be hard to apologize. i even said myself that the benchmarks they had were correct and many others did as well. there were plenty of leaked benchmarks at the time that compared. others were arguing about other things including testing methods.