AMD Phenom II Review Thread

[saveus222]

You talk as if current C2Qs/S775 don't even exist...

News flash, the performance levels of PII is right in line with C2Qs and the pricing reflects that. As many people will tell you, PII is more about competing against C2Q than Ci7.

have u been reading the reviews ?

What!? I just read 3-4 reviews and Phenom II hasn't bested any core 2 duos really so i7 even being a match..... What reviews are you reading?

question is what reviews are you reading ? it falls right in between Q9300 and Core i7

[AKM]

So basically Deneb@3Ghz without Hi-K has the same power consumption as a 3Ghz Yorkfield, awesome job I'd say.

http://www.lostcircuits.com/mambo//i...d=51&Itemid=42

[savantu]

have u been reading the reviews ?


question is what reviews are you reading ? it falls right in between Q9300 and Core i7

You know , between the 2 you missed the following :

-Q9400
-Q9450
-Q9550
-Q9650
-Q9770

Somehow , you missed the elephant sitting on the sofa in the living room.

From what I've seen , Phenom 2 fights most with Q94x0 and Q9550 , the later having a slight edge overall.

[Lightman]

Regarding clocks reached in TR review one would look at production date of that CPU - 0839. Retail is getting 0848/0850....
If you read comments on our forum made by Sampsa and Macci you would noticed that they stated on several occassions AMD review chips and early ES weren't clocking that well. Retail chips are better. Much better if you consider NB clocks up to 3.4GHz from 2.6-2.7GHz and HT 3.0 ColdBug is fixed as well. Just look at benchmarks with HT 1.9GHz NB 3.2GHz under LN2....

Other than that chip performs well considering execution units are mostly unchanged from K7 (except SSE extensions).

Intel has another 2 years of relative peace in performance segment. Then in 2011 we will see what AMD engineers are up to with Bulldozer.

[Chad Boga]

Intel has another 2 years of relative peace in performance segment. Then in 2011 we will see what AMD engineers are up to with Bulldozer.

If you are right about Intel's relative peace(and I think you are), then unless Intel wants AMD to stick around, they will have the means to put them to the sword and finally get rid of them.

[naokaji]

If you are right about Intel's relative peace(and I think you are), then unless Intel wants AMD to stick around, they will have the means to put them to the sword and finally get rid of them.

They always had the means to wipe them out, but they chose not to and even allowed them to sell x86 cpu's..

It was always by their choice that they let AMD live, same goes for Nvidia, Via, Sis, Ati (before it became amd).
Remember, Intel has one of the biggest R&d Budgets in the IT Industry, they could get rid of any Company they see as a Competition at any time they want with only a slight temporary financial set back, then just jack up the prices once the competition is gone to make up for it.

Anyway, Phenom 2 is going to give Intel some competition in the midrange market and once the cut down phenom 2's come out (dual / tri cores) also in the budget market, but don't forget that Intel does have a ace up it's sleeve, it's the I5 and will be much cheaper than I7.

[Chad Boga]

They always had the means to wipe them out, heck, they even had to give the ok for them to even start selling cpu's...
It was always by their choice that they let AMD live, same goes for Nvidia, Via, Sis, Ati (before it became amd).
Remember, Intel has one of the biggest R&d Budgets in the IT Industry, they could get rid of any Company they see as a Competition at any time they want with only a slight temporary financial set back, then just jack up the prices once the competition is gone to make up for it.

Not so. If they tried blatant price dumping, they would run afoul of the Federal Trade Commission and run the real risk of being broken up.

If you go back to the time when Intel only had the Prescott, AMD were so much stronger it just wasn't feasible that Intel could have put them out of business.

But since AMD scored an own goal purchasing ATI and then compounded things by losing their competitive edge, Intel are now in a position(also helped along by the World Recession) to put AMD out of business if they so choose, and most likely avoid sanction by the Federal Trade Commission and Justice Department.

Anyway, Phenom 2 is going to give Intel some competition in the midrange market and once the cut down phenom 2's come out (dual / tri cores) also in the budget market, but don't forget that Intel does have a ace up it's sleeve, it's the I5 and will be much cheaper than I7.

Oh I haven't forgotten, that is why I believe AMD's position is so parlous, as their roadmap shows they have nothing to compete effectively against it, and then there is the prospect of 32nm Westmere in 2010.

That could mean that for all of 2010, AMD's competitive position against Intel is actually worse than at ANY time in the last 2.5years and we have already seen the devastation that Intel wreaked upon them with Conroe against the K8.

[saveus222]

They always had the means to wipe them out, but they chose not to and even allowed them to sell x86 cpu's..

It was always by their choice that they let AMD live, same goes for Nvidia, Via, Sis, Ati (before it became amd).
Remember, Intel has one of the biggest R&d Budgets in the IT Industry, they could get rid of any Company they see as a Competition at any time they want with only a slight temporary financial set back, then just jack up the prices once the competition is gone to make up for it.

Anyway, Phenom 2 is going to give Intel some competition in the midrange market and once the cut down phenom 2's come out (dual / tri cores) also in the budget market, but don't forget that Intel does have a ace up it's sleeve, it's the I5 and will be much cheaper than I7.

huh.. listen to urself.. what about FTC and all the antitrust lawsuits that would follow.. ??

[Eternalightwith]

NB at 3.4 ?!?!

if you consider NB clocks up to 3.4GHz from 2.6-2.7GHz and...

[Motiv]

From what I've seen , Phenom 2 fights most with Q94x0 and Q9550 , the later having a slight edge overall.

I'd agree with this and I'm sure the prices will reflect it.

[saveus222]

You know , between the 2 you missed the following :

-Q9400
-Q9450
-Q9550
-Q9650
-Q9770

Somehow , you missed the elephant sitting on the sofa in the living room.

From what I've seen , Phenom 2 fights most with Q94x0 and Q9550 , the later having a slight edge overall.

im sorry that was meant to be Q9450.. even then i agree i missed the q9550... what im trying to get at with "have you read the reviews is" different reviewers in that list of reviews are showing different performance levels. theres one that shows the X4 940 is slower than a q6600... so theres no concrete agreed positioning right now.. i guess your facts are from anandtech and toms.. guru3d shows something else. i dono if they got different chips or one used retail while the other used ES.. ???