phenom 2 will be a hit cheap and affordable with decent oc levels! Unlike i7 that is so expensive to upgrade it seems pointless to spend that much!
phenom 2 will be a hit cheap and affordable with decent oc levels! Unlike i7 that is so expensive to upgrade it seems pointless to spend that much!
There have been some trolls that really get my blood pressure up but you my friend take the cake. I find your posts outright disgusting, now is the first time I truly see a point to using the ignore function.Originally Posted by T_Flight
Yeah, and I used to spend 8-10 grand a year on hardware. So what? Wanna know why I don't anymore? It's fanboys just like in this thread why I no longer do it. Next time you guys wanna come oput of the gate hating on people just becasue of their avatar, you might wanan find out if you hurting your favorite companies sales first.
It's been like that in every AMD thread I've came into, and it's why I wouldn't even consider building one of those rigs. Hell, I can't even stand to be involved in one of these threads. Why on earth would I buy one of these rigs only to subject myself to that kind of treatement?
You people that run your mouth like that run more people off than you could imagine. Then you wonder why nobody wants to screw with them?
It's no wonder that company is darn near going broke.
Sorry to the rest of you for this flaming but I couldnt hold it back.
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Yeah man, stupid fanboys causing AMD to lose billions of dollars of sales!Yeah, and I used to spend 8-10 grand a year on hardware. So what? Wanna know why I don't anymore? It's fanboys just like in this thread why I no longer do it. Next time you guys wanna come oput of the gate hating on people just becasue of their avatar, you might wanan find out if you hurting your favorite companies sales first.
It's been like that in every AMD thread I've came into, and it's why I wouldn't even consider building one of those rigs. Hell, I can't even stand to be involved in one of these threads. Why on earth would I buy one of these rigs only to subject myself to that kind of treatement?
You people that run your mouth like that run more people off than you could imagine. Then you wonder why nobody wants to screw with them?
It's no wonder that company is darn near going broke.
Wow, a lot cheaper than I expected them to be... though I typically don't buy processors until they drop to the $180 level...
Got my X2 4200+ for $185 in 2006
Got my Q6600 for $189 in 2008
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Not anymore.They completely forget(or oversee) the fact, that even though the i920 is comparably cheap both to Yorkies (and "pre-NDA" prices for PHII/920), the rest of the system you need will make you eat porridge for months afterwards.
Sub 200€ boards are already approaching and ddr3 prices are dropping. Sure its still a bit higher then P2 but nowhere near the intial prices (400$ boards, 400$ ram with 300$ cpu
You can get away with 600$, and Ci7 is not even marketd as a mainstream.
P2 on the other hand is a mainstream product, even if amds internal diagrams show P2 940BE as enthusiast product, performance wise its in the performance segment (upper mainstream).
Its like always, you pay for what you get.
This is a prime example of what I was talking about. You don't have the first clue who you are talking about.gently puts on "Special AMD 3D Glasses" .....and asserts self to hit you over the head with the Rhythm Stick for being a instigator and Troll
'Oh......Dave ....where Art Thou???
Would you please put a end to this kid crapping on other members and ruing this thread
FYI, I'm going on 43 years old kid. Do you see any annoying sigs in my posts? You have to have the stupidest damn sig line I have ever seen. On top of that, you are troll number one in every CPU thread you get mixed up in, and all you do here is cause trouble. In fact YOU (yes, YOU personally) were the fist one in that troll ridden AMD forum to convince me never to run an AMD system ever.
It was posts just like yours that convinced me if I needed new info on them and help with them that it would be a complete waste of my time and money. Take a look at the last time I posted in the AMD forum. Also take a good look at the number of people viewing the Intel forums currently, and the number viewing the AMD forums...there's your sign!
Money has never been the issue. I am 43 or will be in a couple weeks, and am retired. That should give you a clue as to what might've been possible had people like you and others not ruined it for me.
I realize that some of you have no clue about the people you've ran off, and you never will. See? There are some that will just bend over and tolerate it, but I'm not one of them. That's the problem here. You make damned stupid assumptions, attack everybody you don't agree with, and then wonder why things around here are like they are.
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Egh, just wait for Intel to release Core i5. I love Phenom II like one who has nostalgic love for 60's muscle cars but I can recognize the passing of an age. K10 is already "old" with the introduction of the Nehalem monster. That being said, bring on the non-coldbugs Phenoms!
Dude, where do you see Bulldozer? It's Deneb
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I also believe i5 vs. deneb is gonna be where the real battle is.
See his upgrade schedule. 2006...2008...2010 (?)Dude, where do you see Bulldozer? It's Deneb
Bulldozer's definitely sampling at least in '10 (earlier news said 09 but eff that for objectivity), but we'd have to wait for '11 for a real CPU I guess.
It's rather obvious that if you have a (non-crappy stepping/VID) Q6600 for a "normal" rig then upgrading to either Deneb or Yorkfield is kind of a lost cause.
32nm 6-core i7/i8 might be a nice stand in, though.
Yes and No! Performance yes, numbers wise not a chance in hell. Even if Deneb is good performance wise, their numbers will still pale in comparison. By the time i5 ships the market will still be saturated with Penyrns that are already plentiful.
Ph2 and their Dual Core counterparts will have a tough time because the markets aren't like any of the folks here defending and accepting anything AMD ships. They couldn't care less than they already do. They bought X2 when it was clearly better, even at higher prices. Until AMD makes that kind of processor again, they'll have problems and Deneb isn't another X2. AMD needs a nicely priced Winner, not a Pretender.
Posted by duploxxx
I am sure JF is relaxed and smiling these days with there intended launch schedule. SNB Xeon servers on the other hand....
Posted by gallag
there yo go bringing intel into a amd thread again lol, if that was someone droping a dig at amd you would be crying like a girl.qft!
It's supposed to be funny, and I don't find it funny at all when we don't even know what Bulldozer is or when it's going to be released
Also I find it hard to see why people is so impressed/needing new pants in this thread. Perf/watt Intel wins with even Kentsfield. Price/perf rough fight with Kentsfield, it depends of the application. Pure perf it loses to Yorkfield and i7. What's left? Agena? Hell yes it's an improvement but...
It's the same as in the past years, for me the only reason to buy this processor is to play with it and upgrade existing AMD platforms. In new systems for the same price you have faster Yorkfield combos. For more money you have even faster i7 combos
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So is AMD going with "920" in hopes people get confused and buy AMD instead of i7....
|Rig|Sold my monster, stuck on a Q8200 and 9500Gt with 4G of ram.
Originally Posted by jimmyz
Some are saying that!
Posted by duploxxx
I am sure JF is relaxed and smiling these days with there intended launch schedule. SNB Xeon servers on the other hand....
Posted by gallag
there yo go bringing intel into a amd thread again lol, if that was someone droping a dig at amd you would be crying like a girl.
Genius marketing, if you ask me.
Well it already has 2 competitors, Kentsfield and Yorkfield. Kentsfield will be phased out soon, but Yorkfield will stay for a while. Since Yorkfield is faster IPC wise and clock wise, i5 can bring nothing to the table.
I am sure you know this, but, if i5 has better IPC and thus significantly more performance than Yorkfield depending on how high they clock it, then surely it brings a bigger gap between Intel and AMD, thus an important weapon in Intel's arsenal.
AMD or not, Intel is fighting itself. Namely, how do they sell to folks stuff they don't need? Besides a few Fans here, AMD has the same problem.
Posted by duploxxx
I am sure JF is relaxed and smiling these days with there intended launch schedule. SNB Xeon servers on the other hand....
Posted by gallag
there yo go bringing intel into a amd thread again lol, if that was someone droping a dig at amd you would be crying like a girl.
If one has an Intel Quad, and even more so if it is overclocked, then upgrading to a i7/i5 makes zero sense until possibly the release of Windows 7 and hopefully a new generation of games I suspect will be out between Q4 09 and 1H 10, like Id Software's RAGE and HL3.
However if you are on a Dual or single core, then for the reasons I have stated above in particular, Q4 09 will offer some compelling upgrade incentives.
Completely and utterly stupid if you ask me...and genius.
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i5 will be crazy. amd needs to have something whipped up before that comes out. maybe amd needs to think about implementing their own type of HTT.Egh, just wait for Intel to release Core i5. I love Phenom II like one who has nostalgic love for 60's muscle cars but I can recognize the passing of an age. K10 is already "old" with the introduction of the Nehalem monster. That being said, bring on the non-coldbugs Phenoms!
Why are you so convinced i5 will have such a dramatic impact on AMD?
Will the integrated PCIe controller make such a big difference for gaming?
How much better would i5 be for gaming than i7 at the same clock speed?
5%, 10%, 20%????
OEM market, once i5 comes out Dell's new line up will be all i5 and i7 with their big sales selling older 65nm/45nm based rigs for discount prices, or their infamous %50+ off deals that in the end are barely that much off.
|Rig|Sold my monster, stuck on a Q8200 and 9500Gt with 4G of ram.
Originally Posted by jimmyz
Nothing more than 5%. i5 is a nice deal, but I'm not sure what Intel really wants to do with it.
Integrating the PCIe on the CPU will help GPGPU apps if they're coded for it, but everything else... probably not. The latency shaved was going to be compensated for with other techniques in the end.
Right now any of these 3 (York/Kents/Deneb) can last in a gaming rig long enough till the next fundamental generation comes. Money for the CPU can be easier spent on the GPU instead.
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