Phenom II 920 goodness thread

[rk7p5]

Theres no need for intel to progress that much since AMD is leaps behind in their technology even with PhenomII, but atleast they are starting to catch up now, this might give intel enough motivation to crush AMD yet again. Competition is great for us consumers.

EDIT:

For the record, i have owned more AMD processors than Intel upto today.

AMD may be slightly behind in performance, but how can you say they are leaps behind in technology? 1st with imc, true dual cores, native quads...

[TL1000S]

AMD may be slightly behind in performance, but how can you say they are leaps behind in technology? 1st with imc, true dual cores, native quads...

Unfortunately none of these technical benefits gave any significant boost in performance over contemporary Intel CPU's. It was AMD's CPU archithecture that made them superiour to Intel's netburst.
Actuallly, Intel technically "inferiour" products blew AMD out of the competition. Likewise it was the *architecture" (PIII/Dothan based) that was the critical success factor.
Only the "green team" can be blind for these facts.
BTW.
Intel's first imc CPU's (Nehamlem) do not benefit that much of this technology either.
On desktop ecpecially.
PII "goodness" depends on better power consumtion compared to Agena, *AND* excellent OC-ability compared to its predecessor (for the enthusiasts).
EOS.

[gosh]

Only the "green team" can be blind for these facts.

AMD created one processor that was good for multataskers. People that work with different applications and wants good flow. If they do one lengthy operation in one application they switch to other applications and works with that. This is a much more productive way to work if you compare with those who just sit an stare at the monitor while the application is processing the lengthy command.
The problem is that there are a lot of users that don't use the processor as a working tool or that they want the fastest, they just look at how fast one processor can process one command without running other applications.

There are also a lot of people that has many running instances for one application. Working with one project could mean that you need to work with three different documents. You constantly switch between those documents, this need to be fast.

What AMD did was to create a good processor for actual work.
Intel has focused to create a processor that performs good on CPU tests.

[TL1000S]

AMD created one processor that was good for multataskers. People that work with different applications and wants good flow. If they do one lengthy operation in one application they switch to other applications and works with that. This is a much more productive way to work if you compare with those who just sit an stare at the monitor while the application is processing the lengthy command.
The problem is that there are a lot of users that don't use the processor as a working tool or that they want the fastest, they just look at how fast one processor can process one command without running other applications.

There are also a lot of people that has many running instances for one application. Working with one project could mean that you need to work with three different documents. You constantly switch between those documents, this need to be fast.

What AMD did was to create a good processor for actual work.
Intel has focused to create a processor that performs good on CPU tests.

Gosh, your avatar is like "throwing stones in a house of glass".

What you describe is nothing special for AMD CPU's.
It is a product of hardware and software regardless of CPU.
Which means:
If the OS/drivers do not utilize cores/threads (yes - HT do work) you can have a single core/thread unresponsive system.
Since I use 50/50 (always have) rigs from both "camps" there are no big difference regarding multitasking given same amount of cores/threads available/used by the OS. That is *my* view anyhow.
"Smoothness"/responsiveness do vary between platform/rigs, but my experience do not favour any of rigs from Intel/AMD.
As other have discovered, sometimes a "crappy" Sempron/Celeron based rig may feel quicker to boot/use/switch task than a "high end" C2D/K8/K10 rig.
This is mainly due to other hardware/drivers/OS.

[gosh]

Gosh, your avatar is like "throwing stones in a house of glass".

What you describe is nothing special for AMD CPU's.

All intel computers that I have tested has not been that good to work with compared to amd. I have friends that has noticed the same pattern so I don't think it is ghosts in my head.
I have never seen anyone say that the Intel felt more responsive compared to amd.

[Sparky]

I have never seen anyone say that the Intel felt more responsive compared to amd.

Well here is one. My intel q6600 is much more responsive than my AMD 3200+

OK guys lighten up a little and let's not clutter the OPs thread with yet another AMD vs Intel faster/smoother/snappier/etc stuff

[Olivon]

All intel computers that I have tested has not been that good to work with compared to amd. I have friends that has noticed the same pattern so I don't think it is ghosts in my head.
I have never seen anyone say that the Intel felt more responsive compared to amd.

Drugs 'R Bad !!!

[gosh]

Drugs'r Bad !!!

why do you write that to me?

[Hornet331]

All intel computers that I have tested has not been that good to work with compared to amd. I have friends that has noticed the same pattern so I don't think it is ghosts in my head.
I have never seen anyone say that the Intel felt more responsive compared to amd.

Your best comparison was a C2 dualcore (a mobile version in a notebook)... good reference to compare a dualcore notebook with a quadcore desktop workstation and then complain its not smooth enough...

[rk7p5]

Unfortunately none of these technical benefits gave any significant boost in performance over contemporary Intel CPU's. It was AMD's CPU archithecture that made them superiour to Intel's netburst.
Actuallly, Intel technically "inferiour" products blew AMD out of the competition. Likewise it was the *architecture" (PIII/Dothan based) that was the critical success factor.
Only the "green team" can be blind for these facts.
BTW.
Intel's first imc CPU's (Nehamlem) do not benefit that much of this technology either.
On desktop ecpecially.
PII "goodness" depends on better power consumtion compared to Agena, *AND* excellent OC-ability compared to its predecessor (for the enthusiasts).
EOS.

I don't know what you're talking about, the guy said amd is leaps behind intel technology wise and that's just not true. Now that amd is bringing deneb out, intel is gonna have alot of competition. I expect amd to take the performance lead once they release their 6 and 8 core cpu's later this year.

[TL1000S]

I don't know what you're talking about, the guy said amd is leaps behind intel technology wise and that's just not true. Now that amd is bringing deneb out, intel is gonna have alot of competition. I expect amd to take the performance lead once they release their 6 and 8 core cpu's later this year.

What is wrong with some of you worst case blind fanbois?

Where did I write something that disagree with your belief in your favorite product?

What AMD may release in the future is as interesting as your dinner, this is a thread about PHII 920 and its goodness *now*.
If this model clocks half as good as those samples we have seen "leaked" int his and other forums, this is reason enough to buy one for any *CPU* enthusiast (NOT only batblind fanbois).

[Brother Esau]

What is wrong with some of you worst case blind fanbois?

Where did I write something that disagree with your belief in your favorite product?

What AMD may release in the future is as interesting as your dinner, this is a thread about PHII 920 and its goodness *now*.
If this model clocks half as good as those samples we have seen "leaked" int his and other forums, this is reason enough to buy one for any *CPU* enthusiast (NOT only batblind fanbois).

This is the same guy that was trolling me in the News Section guys (EDIT) My mistake its not the Guy!

Please stay out of the AMD Section we don't want the Bull Shet Kiddie Drama that you guys have in the News Section brought in to our sanctuary (EDIT) This Stays Just So You Know where its at!

[TL1000S]

This is the same guy that was trolling me in the News Section guys (EDIT) My mistake its not the Guy!

Please stay out of the AMD Section we don't want the Bull Shet Kiddie Drama that you guys have in the News Section brought in to our sanctuary (EDIT) This Stays Just So You Know where its at!

Are you saying (after mistaking me for someone else) that I am not allowed to post in the AMD section of the forum?
May bee you get confused by your own flashing sig (I sure do).
Or are you telling me that my opinions are not welcome?
Are you the one to decide that I can post positive comments to great PHII 920 oc achievements, but not argue with other posters filing nothing but subjective or off-topic content (like when 6 or 8 core AM3 CPU are coming).

PS.
I really, really dislike fanbois of any type, AMD, Intel, Nvidia.. whatever.. and express this whenever I like.

And I am really, really happy with what I see from AMD these days.
And thats why I am posting here.
This is a discussion forum? Not?
I do not see pure "O hail the mighty Intel/AMD <insert-model-here>. Only fanboi +1/I agree posting allowed!" anywhere in the forum.
Or in the guidelines.
I hope to see some more results/tips on OC'ing PHII 920 in this thread.
Not to argue with fanatics of any sort.
EOD.

[gosh]

I really, really dislike fanbois of any type, AMD, Intel, Nvidia.. whatever.. and express this whenever I like.

OT
In this thread there is only one that has talked about fanbois and that is you. Skip those insults and keep to the technology. If you have an opinion you need to explain it if others that know about technology should listen.

[zif33rs]

Small steps now...but still marching towards 4.0ghz.

[gosh]

BTW.
Intel's first imc CPU's (Nehamlem) do not benefit that much of this technology either.
On desktop ecpecially.
EOS.

Nehalem = 256 KB L2 cache
Core 2 = 6 (23 * 256) MB L2 cache

There must be something there I think with the imc

[haylui]

Nehalem = 256 KB L2 cache
Core 2 = 6 (23 * 256) MB L2 cache

There must be something there I think with the imc

I believe small L2 is the cause