AMD Shanghai/Deneb Review Thread

[Zucker2k]

Talking to him is like talking to a wall,no effect.But it's good you tried,maybe it works this time

The only wall I see is you; at least that's how dumb you sound with your entrenched position. You can add your buddy, roofsniper to that list. I know it hurts, but this is hardware so get over it.

[roofsniper]

The only wall I see is you; at least that's how dumb you sound with your entrenched position. You can add your buddy, roofsniper to that list. I know it hurts, but this is hardware so get over it.

woa woa chill out dude. just because your sad that intel isn't best at everything doesn't mean you have to get all angry about it. don't you remember when you said this earlier? or have you already forgotten? its pretty funny how people here are just pointing out the obvious and you get so angry about it.

snip.
Awww, you're breaking my heart. Can we keep personal feelings out of this thread? Anyway, I'm curious; why don't you like me?

[informal]

Just ignore him guys .He will get bored and leave eventually

[roofsniper]

Just ignore him guys .He will get bored and leave eventually

yea hopefully its just he seems intent on derailing every amd thread there is.

[informal]

yea hopefully its just he seems intent on derailing every amd thread there is.

Yeah he has done that before.Hopefully he gets bored this time

[wolverine]

You know its funny, I come here to see latest on AMD and see lots about Intel which I give a rats A## about.NEVER see this stuff at PC Perspective,but then, there its political trolls in the Lightning Round.

[justapost]

Stop showing your ignorance! My God, how many times have you posted on this page alone! No two chips are the same. In any case, what was Coolaler's chip? ES. Maybe that's all you need to know. Man, slow down!

Well Coolaler has access to alot of chips to pick the good ones. Nothing wrong with that.

Has Overclock_gr posted specs used for power consumption anywhere? SOmethin like a screenshot wit everest cpu-z aod and so on showing all the settings he used. They must have done such an screenshot, they spended so much time running all the benchmarks, would be sad if they missed that one.

[Movieman]

snip~well of course they aren't day to day clocks which is kind of my point, the glass cieling for i7 is 800mhz below phenom II (thus far anyway) I7 has trouble hitting anything past 3.6 on air as has been shown by several reviews, at least one posted in this thread. While Deneb routinely seems to hit 3.9-4.1 on air, someone here had hit 5.6 or 5.7 with cold which isn't far off from record.snip~

I beg to differ..My i7-965 runs at 3733mhz at 100% load 24/7 at 61C on air,TRUE and 87CFM 120x38mm fan since November solid with out a hiccup.
Runs SP1M at 4226 and Cinebench10 at 4005.
Not trying to derail the thread but wanted that comment set straight.

[Raiderman]

I beg to differ..My i7-965 runs at 3733mhz at 100% load 24/7 at 61C on air,TRUE and 87CFM 120x38mm fan since November solid with out a hiccup.
Runs SP1M at 4226 and Cinebench10 at 4005.
Not trying to derail the thread but wanted that comment set straight.

Isnt the I7-965 already at 3.2ghz?
Maybe he was reffering to the i7-920.

[informal]

Isnt the I7-965 already at 3.2ghz?
Maybe he was reffering to the i7-920.

Plus Movieman seems to forget the price premium for the unlocked 965EE system .

PS I'm aware *some* i7 920s can hit north of 4Ghz but with a price of turning off SMT and dealing with huge load temps that make your case a mini nuclear plant

[Zucker2k]

I beg to differ..My i7-965 runs at 3733mhz at 100% load 24/7 at 61C on air,TRUE and 87CFM 120x38mm fan since November solid with out a hiccup.
Runs SP1M at 4226 and Cinebench10 at 4005.
Not trying to derail the thread but wanted that comment set straight.

Dave, be careful, stuff like this is bound to get you labeled real quick around here. Then again you're a mod so you may be spared. At least I know everytime I correct an impression or assumption, I've been quickly labeled. Just a warning.

[Throwed]

The only wall I see is you; at least that's how dumb you sound with your entrenched position. You can add your buddy, roofsniper to that list. I know it hurts, but this is hardware so get over it.

Dude, relax. It's not that serious. I honestly don't understand why you aren't banned yet.

[roofsniper]

Dave, be careful, stuff like this is bound to get you labeled real quick around here. Then again you're a mod so you may be spared. At least I know everytime I correct an impression or assumption, I've been quickly labeled. Just a warning.

what did he say that was wrong? i believe he said factual information that makes sense without flaming anyone for no reason at all.

[Zucker2k]

what did he say that was wrong? i believe he said factual information that makes sense without flaming anyone for no reason at all.

Is this factual enough for you?

That's a wrong summation; Ci7 can take heat more than Deneb, it's by design. Your Deneb won't overclock a damn if your core voltages reach anywhere near Ci7. As you guys would find out soon enough: Deneb needs to be kept cold in order to reach the 3.6, 3.8 Ghz range. A 60C t5emp may be the limit for Deneb, but it's certainly not the case for Ci7.

Now go to the page and see the response. Hilarious; you'll see some familiar people and their responses.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...209491&page=40

[QuietIce]

what did he say that was wrong? i believe he said factual information that makes sense without flaming anyone for no reason at all.

Did he post again?

I can't see them anymore - got tired of looking at the jackass ...
(or whatever is pulling that third world transportation device)

[roofsniper]

Is this factual enough for you?



Now go to the page and see the response. Hilarious; you'll see some familiar people and their responses.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...209491&page=40

thats not factual at all quoting your responses that i have already read.

[informal]

Did he post again?

I can't see them anymore - got tired of looking at the jackass ... :p
(or whatever is pulling that third world transportation device)

Hehe ,i see you have discovered the magical button . I like the picture of third world transportation device,makes the posts in context

[AbelJemka]

...

You sigged me for what reason?
Prove me i wrong!
Based on Hwbox.gr numbers stock PII 920 is in average 11.7% faster than stock Q6600 and stock PII 920 is in average 3.3% slower than stock Q9450.
That's obvious it will bet faster than Q9300 (cache performance hit + frequency hit/Q9450) and may be equal to Q9400 (cache performance/Q9450)

Q9450 versus Q9400 :
http://www.matbe.com/comparatifs/?id...2&prod2=160961
156 for Q9450 and 148 for Q9400 difference = 5.4%

Q9450 versus Q9300 :
http://www.matbe.com/comparatifs/?id...2&prod2=160951
156 for Q9450 and 139 for Q9300 difference = 12.2%
And you called people here ignorant...

[roofsniper]

You sigged me for what reason?
Prove me i wrong!
Based on Hwbox.gr numbers stock PII 920 is in average 11.7% faster than stock Q6600 and stock PII 920 is in average 3.3% slower than stock Q9450.
That's obvious it will bet faster than Q9300 (cache performance hit + frequency hit/Q9450) and may be equal to Q9400 (cache performance/Q9450)

Q9450 versus Q9400 :
http://www.matbe.com/comparatifs/?id...2&prod2=160961
156 for Q9450 and 148 for Q9400 difference = 5.4%

Q9450 versus Q9300 :
http://www.matbe.com/comparatifs/?id...2&prod2=160951
156 for Q9450 and 139 for Q9300 difference = 12.2%
And you called people here ignorant...

yea dude don't worry about it. he has sigged many people he just feels good about himself for doing it or something. just block him like most of us already have. chad sigged me awhile back for saying that i am not biased even tho i run amd. thats just how they are.

[demonkevy666]

anyone got a clue about deneb/shanghia's cache cycle
Barcelona's was in the 40's 44or 49 cycle I don't remember but is it improved ?

[Zucker2k]

thats not factual at all quoting your responses that i have already read.

Tell me what is not factual about what I just said. Do that and you'll be on your way to having a fair debate. I'm not into arguing simpletons, if you can show me that you're capable of thinking logically and able to at least deduce the strengths and weaknesses of both platforms I'm more than willing to debate you. I tell it like it is and you sig this because there are many technically sound people in this thread who are intentionally twisting the facts.

Chad Boga was right; AMDs new revision is nothing more than that, a revision.

Here are the pros: marginal performance improvement, and more impressive elimination of coldbug.

Cons: power draw is still higher compared to Intel competitors aka. 45nm C2Q, still behind in ipc compared to the same group; has a low temp thresold when overclocking. You can sig it, it is the truth, even though you won't admit it.

[Zucker2k]

You sigged me for what reason?
Prove me i wrong!
Based on Hwbox.gr numbers stock PII 920 is in average 11.7% faster than stock Q6600 and stock PII 920 is in average 3.3% slower than stock Q9450.
That's obvious it will bet faster than Q9300 (cache performance hit + frequency hit/Q9450) and may be equal to Q9400 (cache performance/Q9450)

Q9450 versus Q9400 :
http://www.matbe.com/comparatifs/?id...2&prod2=160961
156 for Q9450 and 148 for Q9400 difference = 5.4%

Q9450 versus Q9300 :
http://www.matbe.com/comparatifs/?id...2&prod2=160951
156 for Q9450 and 139 for Q9300 difference = 12.2%
And you called people here ignorant...

I sigged you because you're beginning to see the light.

[Raiderman]

huh?

[AbelJemka]

Tell me what is not factual about what I just said. Do that and you'll be on your way to having a fair debate. I'm not into arguing simpletons, if you can show me that you're capable of thinking logically and able to at least deduce the strengths and weaknesses of both platforms I'm more than willing to debate you. I tell it like it is and you sig this because there are many technically sound people in this thread who are intentionally twisting the facts.

Chad Boga was right; AMDs new revision is nothing more than that, a revision.

Here are the pros: marginal performance improvement, and more impressive elimination of coldbug.

Cons: power draw is still higher compared to Intel competitors aka. 45nm C2Q, still behind in ipc compared to the same group; has a low temp thresold when overclocking. You can sig it, it is the truth, even though you won't admit it.

You're right you can go now
Only a moron can get a conclusion with one imcomplete review...

[Raiderman]

I guess Im not understanding why someone would post intel stuff in a thread entitled "shanghai/deneb review thread"