someone could do the same test the youtube link shows you just need a KVM (right ?)to control both at the same time. ram speed same gbs same clocks the same.
that would be nice to see.
someone could do the same test the youtube link shows you just need a KVM (right ?)to control both at the same time. ram speed same gbs same clocks the same.
that would be nice to see.
HAVE NO FEAR!
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Originally Posted by Gamekiller
You didn't get the memo? 1 hour 'Fugger time' is equal to 12 hours of regular time.
Are you using a lot of templates (C++)?
I completely agree.
That said, I think that I am going to take my spare parts and pick up an MM duality. I'll build a Phenom/Q6600 rig with ATI and Nvidia GPU's and call it "fanboy's nightmare". That way every time someone accuses me of bias I can tell them to stfu...
I may also call it "Smooth and Rough", I'm not sure yet though.
Last edited by iandh; 01-02-2009 at 03:36 PM.
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Except the expereince with a i7 with Hyperthreading would be completely different as compared to Core 2 or Phenom. With Hyperthreading, the i7 can execute 8 threads at once which would mean that things would be "smoother" since threads would not need to wait for time (or at least need to wait as often) to be allocated. However, each thread would suffer in terms of performance because it would be sharing CPU resources with another thread but total throughput of all 8 threads will be greater than only running 4 threads at once.
Last edited by accord99; 01-02-2009 at 03:44 PM.
Some templates, plenty of libraries but no problems for even a Dothan.
yes that would be nice to see but im not sure if it will prove anything. might be nice to see some games like far cry 2 and look at the fps at each second. cause big fps changes will cause things to not look smooth even if the benchmark comes out saying it has a higher fps. opening up a ton of applications might not show the responsiveness but if the application starts to open faster that says something even if it doesn't finish opening first.someone could do the same test the youtube link shows you just need a KVM (right ?)to control both at the same time. ram speed same gbs same clocks the same.
that would be nice to see.
Some? what does that mean? Some in stl
I use boost, stl, atl, wtl and have done a lot my own templates. If you add more templates you will se that memory consumption rises and you need to increase some setting for memory that I now don't remember what it is called. Compile times will also be much slower. Libs is no problem
It's difficult to argue objectivity with subjective-minded fanboys, isn't it? Both you and Ghostbuster have hit the nail right on the head with your explanations, but at this point, you might as well be talking to your living room wall!
@ Gosh, read Accord99's post and stop running processor intensive applications while trying to do anything else on an obviously choked laptop. At best stop comparing a dualcore to a quadcore; please do me a favor and stop that. It's retarded - 4 threads will always trump two threads when executing more than two threads simultaneously; especially if clocks are about the same. Why I'm I even having to say this?
@ The Rest: This thread is very late. Responsiveness aka smoothnesswill always scale with the number of threads a cpu is able to execute simultaneously, eg.
On Intel:
PIII - 1 single thread
P4 HT - 2 threads
C2D - 2 threads
C2Q - 4 threads
Ci7 HT - 8 threads
It is simple, in the extreme multi-tasking environment, Ci7 blows everything out of the water. That is your responsiveness, or smoothness.
It's funny, fanboys comparing dualcores with quads and so on. This thread is useless, and needs to be closed.
Edit: @ roofsniper, do yourself a favor and stop posting in this thread; you have no idea what you're talking about and your spamming the thread like there's no tomorrow; I gave up counting your useless posts; to top that, you're showing a lot of attitude too, what a combination? At least allow people who actually buy and use cpus on both platforms to post their experiences. I'm tired of reading your 'nothings' already.Out.
Last edited by Zucker2k; 01-02-2009 at 04:00 PM.
I will have another go.
An F1 racing car is faster than a RollRoyce but the RollRoyce will be a smoother ride.
The F1 will have a hard ride, lots of abrupt acceleration & breaking giving you a very inconstant ride but a fast one.
The RollRoyce as a softer setup, smoother acceleration & breaking giving you a more constant ride.
Not everyone will prefer the F1.
I have, and I think they are both on the same smoothness level.
I have owned
Intel
e4300
e2140(2)
e2160 ES
e2180
e6300(2)
e6400
e6600(2)
Xeon 3060
e6850
e8400
Q6600
AMD
Sempron 2800+(2)
Athlon 3000+(3)
Opteron 1210
Opteron 1212
Opteron 1214
X2 3600+(2)
X4 9850 BE
I know what you guys speak of when you say if does not feel smooth. Like when you pay games it says 60fps but it still lags every half second. I guess you could call it micro-studdering. I had this problem with BOTH amd and intel systems. In the past year or two I have went thought all of those systems above trying to get one not to do it when it is overclocked. I finally figured it out with system that I just built(one in the sig). This intel "roughness" happened because my gtl multi and vtt were not properly tweaked. I have no idea how to fix it on an amd system, but if I had to guess I would say up the htt voltage.
Just My 2cents
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HTX2 clocks and VC1 enabled ? Nb traffic??I have, and I think they are both on the same smoothness level.
I have owned
Intel
e4300
e2140(2)
e2160 ES
e2180
e6300(2)
e6400
e6600(2)
Xeon 3060
e6850
e8400
Q6600
AMD
Sempron 2800+(2)
Athlon 3000+(3)
Opteron 1210
Opteron 1212
Opteron 1214
X2 3600+(2)
X4 9850 BE
I know what you guys speak of when you say if does not feel smooth. Like when you pay games it says 60fps but it still lags every half second. I guess you could call it micro-studdering. I had this problem with BOTH amd and intel systems. In the past year or two I have went thought all of those systems above trying to get one not to do it when it is overclocked. I finally figured it out with system that I just built(one in the sig). This intel "roughness" happened because my gtl multi and vtt were not properly tweaked. I have no idea how to fix it on an amd system, but if I had to guess I would say up the htt voltage.
Just My 2cents
I was reading up this it sounds like it could slow you down or speed it up depending on the settings.
Igpot as far as setting 1,000mhz Hyper tranport and getting VC1 and nb triffc enable after that I got a no boot lol
HAVE NO FEAR!
"AMD fallen angel"
You didn't get the memo? 1 hour 'Fugger time' is equal to 12 hours of regular time.
Come on, you can do better than that. A processor is not a car! A processor deals with calculations; it either gets it right or throws up errors. The processor which is producing the most fps is always doing the faster (need I say accurate) calculations. If it gets it wrong, it throws up an error. It takes all the necessary components of a system to render faster framerates; if you guys don't know this, then all the more reason this thread needs to be closed.
exactly, i already wrote that and was called stupid.
But that god thing is a bit far fetched, lets stick to more profane thing like taste, how to measure if something tastes good or bad?
Last edited by Hornet331; 01-02-2009 at 04:20 PM.
Drive the F1 car slower and you'll get a more constant ride. Does that mean the slower a CPU, the smoother it is?
You don't but the price for the C2D is higher compared to the phenom. And I don't think it is the CPU that is the problem, it is the comunication with other hardware and there the C2D and C2Q is the same, in fact the C2Q could be worse regarding comunication because the FSB needs to handle comunication between the two glued C2D.@ Gosh, read Accord99's post and stop running processor intensive applications while trying to do anything else on an obviously choked laptop. At best stop comparing a dualcore to a quadcore; please do me a favor and stop that. It's retarded - 4 threads will always trump two threads when executing more than two threads simultaneously; especially if clocks are about the same. Why I'm I even having to say this?
I did a simple performance test application some time ago. Doing some tests there and I noticed that the problems was when you flood data in the fsb, if you do that then the computer will get these stops. If you only spins the processor then the threadswitching works ok.
No it sounds like more of a issue with your hard drive is in PIO mode or that your computation threads are set to real-time priority and stealing all the CPU time so the OS can't service interrupts.
I have had two other C2D's one for 1.4 Ghz, one "amilo" don't remember the Hz but think it was something near 2 GHz. Also tried on a friends computer. I can't say for sure about these becase I don't rember and then I used Opteron 165 as working computer. What I know was that my friends C2D (think it was a E6600) was terrably slow running vmware so we skiped it (same as on my laptop with a P8400).
Also I am not talking about one second freeze, it's more like 0.05 second. The CPU is mostly above 95% workload when I compile two projects at the same time.
The performance test application I did didn't touch the harddrive
Last edited by gosh; 01-02-2009 at 04:25 PM.
Sure if a cpu has more threads aviable a system will get more "smoother" but that effect is somewhat limited. Above a real dualcore you dont notice if the system has 2/4/8 or even 16 threads. At least thats my personal experience.
@ The Rest: This thread is very late. Responsiveness aka smoothness
On Intel:
PIII - 1 single thread
P4 HT - 2 threads
C2D - 2 threads
C2Q - 4 threads
Ci7 HT - 8 threads
It is simple, in the extreme multi-tasking environment, Ci7 blows everything out of the water. That is your responsiveness, or smoothness.
It's funny, fanboys comparing dualcores with quads and so on. This thread is useless, and needs to be closed.
At home i have 3 systems working dual core, quadcore FSB and a Quadcore with IMC. And i dont notice any difference when i work or game on them. Its another thing when i do some heavy CFD calculations, for that i prefere the Ci7, cause of its more threads.
Last edited by Hornet331; 01-02-2009 at 04:27 PM.
Actually you mean like it's impossible to get it through the heads of certain people that we wish to find ways to measure what some people believe to be subjective and make it an objective attribute.
SUMMATION: IF YOU CAN MEASURE IT THEN IT IS NOT SUBJECTIVE.
Did you comprehend that last sentence or should I attempt to put it into simpler words for you and your henchmen?
You trolls should just go away. (But I know you're having too much fun being obstinate; in your eyes it is sauce for the goose.)
Last edited by keithlm; 01-02-2009 at 04:30 PM.
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I was defining that faster is not always better & nothing else as i have never had an Intel so would not know.
And your a perfect example as to why it should not be closed & is no better than communist dictator not wanting others to find out if there is any merit to the theory as it does not require your participation so why should you care .
Last edited by Final8ty; 01-02-2009 at 04:38 PM.
zucker you by far have no right to call anyone a fanboy. somehow i am always a fanboy when im taking a realistic approach. its fanboys like you that refuse to believe amd is good at anything. i have shown legit information and all you ever do is come in and say amd sucks and flame everyone you find in the thread that is running amd. if you have absolutely no understanding of amd or anything at all why do you even make a post? you have no right to even say i don't know what i am talking about when you most likely have no clue what amd even stands for. its just ridiculous that you can't even post in the amd section anymore without any fanboys like you coming in here and making it so no one can say anything. if you are tired of reading my posts just ignore me but its just unbelievable that you are such a huge fanboy you can't even think that amd could be good at anything. the problem is i can't ignore any of you guys because theres just so many posting in here for no reason at all and then threads like this get ruined instead of anything actually getting done. no one goes ans screws the intel section up so why do you feel the need to come in here and screw the amd section up? its just pathetic.It's difficult to argue objectivity with subjective-minded fanboys, isn't it? Both you and Ghostbuster have hit the nail right on the head with your explanations, but at this point, you might as well be talking to your living room wall!
@ Gosh, read Accord99's post and stop running processor intensive applications while trying to do anything else on an obviously choked laptop. At best stop comparing a dualcore to a quadcore; please do me a favor and stop that. It's retarded - 4 threads will always trump two threads when executing more than two threads simultaneously; especially if clocks are about the same. Why I'm I even having to say this?
@ The Rest: This thread is very late. Responsiveness aka smoothness
On Intel:
PIII - 1 single thread
P4 HT - 2 threads
C2D - 2 threads
C2Q - 4 threads
Ci7 HT - 8 threads
It is simple, in the extreme multi-tasking environment, Ci7 blows everything out of the water. That is your responsiveness, or smoothness.
It's funny, fanboys comparing dualcores with quads and so on. This thread is useless, and needs to be closed.
Edit: @ roofsniper, do yourself a favor and stop posting in this thread; you have no idea what you're talking about and your spamming the thread like there's no tomorrow; I gave up counting your useless posts; to top that, you're showing a lot of attitude too, what a combination? At least allow people who actually buy and use cpus on both platforms to post their experiences. I'm tired of reading your 'nothings' already.
In a swedish forum there was a discussion about who had noticed any differences going from dual to quad. Almost all (if not all) that had switched to phenom did noticed a improvement, especially when they used a lot of applications (this is of course very logic). But those who had switched to quad on the intel side there was mostly no differences in how the computer felt.
The improvement going from Opteron 165 to Phenom was huge for me.
Actually that's easy to answer. If we could actually NOT have to deal with them in this thread... we might actually succeed at our goal.
These posters would not like to see that happen. So they come to sabotage the thread and make sure nobody can actually discuss anything in an mature manner. (And yes, their juvenile antics are very pathetic.)
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Where is the fire? Way to rehash the same point I made. Sorry, let me reduce it to your understanding: try running 8 threads on a single core processor; now try the same on Ci7 or even Deneb. Let's see what the results.
@Hornet, until a cpu is bottle-necked, you'd have to look at other factors for lag; hard drives have been suggested. Going with this line of thinking, and taking into consideration latest trends in computing - multi-tasking- one is bound to run into a cpu lag sooner with a dualcore cpu than a quadcore cpu. Of course, that a person runs into it all would depend on what they do, eg. power users ate bound to experience this more often than not. I can't remember how many times I've switched between duals and quads, but I'm currently running a quad because it is just that much smoother.Oh nooooooo, I said it!
I think you should chill and actually read some post, instead of saying they are trolls....
how do you want to measure smoothness, its not directly linked to a parameter you can measure...
Lets go back to the taste example... how you know how something tastes?
You could put a sample of a certain food (lets say a sweet candy) into a gas chromatograph and tell its exact elements down to the last molecule.
Now feed this exact ingridients to 100 people and there will be people that say its to sweet or not sweet enough, other will tell you other stuff.
So does that mean the candy is to sweet or to does it need more sugar?
Taste is subjective, and the same goes for "smoothness".
You can find 100s of parameters, e.g. whats the max difference between max and min fps in a game, how fast do the menus open when you click on start buttun, you could measure it to the millisecond exact, and people would still tell you the see no difference or theres a huge difference...
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