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    Guys, if you're going to talk about voltages, never ever consider what the software is telling you.
    Simply put, it's wrong in most cases if not all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BenchZowner View Post
    Guys, if you're going to talk about voltages, never ever consider what the software is telling you.
    Simply put, it's wrong in most cases if not all.
    That is something and others are trying to find an excuse that Phenom could consume less power
    but interesting to note that PII/C2Q in Crysis uses 70+W more than CPU test while I7 uses 45W or less more on Crysis , i thought all 3D and CPU results should be linear , But i was wrong
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    excuse me?

    If a mobo overvolts CPU, it consumes more power. Period. Thats a fact.
    If a mobo undervolts CPU, it consumes less power. Thats another fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BenchZowner View Post
    Guys, if you're going to talk about voltages, never ever consider what the software is telling you.
    Simply put, it's wrong in most cases if not all.
    yea and really if all amd mobos are overvolting and this is not a fault then it should be taken into consideration. i find it odd that they all overvolt during load. my 9600 at stock on my m3a32 never overvolts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roofsniper View Post
    yea and really if all amd mobos are overvolting and this is not a fault then it should be taken into consideration. i find it odd that they all overvolt during load. my 9600 at stock on my m3a32 never overvolts.
    Quote Originally Posted by PetNorth View Post
    excuse me?

    If a mobo overvolts CPU, it consumes more power. Period. Thats a fact.
    If a mobo undervolts CPU, it consumes less power. Thats another fact.
    guyz,read careful what benchzowner said.


    Dont consider what you are seeing in windows or bios,its 99% inaccurate.

    Take a DMM a measure the vcore

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    Quote Originally Posted by PetNorth View Post
    excuse me?

    If a mobo overvolts CPU, it consumes more power. Period. Thats a fact.
    If a mobo undervolts CPU, it consumes less power. Thats another fact.
    Yeap that is True , But changed Voltage in Bios then measured the Power consumption , this got nothing with the default Vcore the chip should run on, this just like i undervolt my CPU and say it consume less power on stock clocks You need to measure the real Vcore , my 3800X2 for example Stock Volt is 1.35V and i run it 1.2V all set in Bios but never measured and it consumes less power on custom settings but this got nothing to do with stock settings ,, It is similar to the fact that if you overclock your CPU it will run faster , next time we will ask power consumption test with CPUs at stock clocks and undervoltet to the max
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    Quote Originally Posted by PetNorth View Post
    excuse me?

    If a mobo overvolts CPU, it consumes more power. Period. Thats a fact.
    If a mobo undervolts CPU, it consumes less power. Thats another fact.
    im assuming you are talking about current (as in amperes) being constant, then both statements are true.
    edit: or current increases with voltage in the first statement and decreases in the 2nd, if i may add.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kemo View Post
    but interesting to note that PII/C2Q in Crysis uses 70+W more than CPU test while I7 uses 45W or less more on Crysis , i thought all 3D and CPU results should be linear , But i was wrong
    Seems reasonable, the amount of work the i7 needs to do in games is much less than the amount of work it does with 8 threads of CPU intensive applications.

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    I was wondering what benches I can post of my chip. I am in the USA, And don't want to violate NDA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by charged3800z24 View Post
    I was wondering what benches I can post of my chip. I am in the USA, And don't want to violate NDA.
    if you didnt sign a NDA then you cant really violate it can you...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nunchucka View Post
    if you didnt sign a NDA then you cant really violate it can you...
    HMM,, well I suppose not.. tho the person (president of my work) that gave it too me said I was alloud to post a picture or anything(noob). I though about doing some 3.0ghz bench's comparing my 9950 @ 3.0ghz. same BN HT and Ram settings. I only have the one board right now.. so I will have to swap CPUs to do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by charged3800z24 View Post
    I was wondering what benches I can post of my chip. I am in the USA, And don't want to violate NDA.
    Could you see how high it'll go please, just to get an idea of what to expect thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charged3800z24 View Post
    HMM,, well I suppose not.. tho the person (president of my work) that gave it too me said I was alloud to post a picture or anything(noob). I though about doing some 3.0ghz bench's comparing my 9950 @ 3.0ghz. same BN HT and Ram settings. I only have the one board right now.. so I will have to swap CPUs to do so.
    well if your boss signed an NDA for that chip and you post benches he could get in trouble afaik
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    yea id just hold off on the benchies. we only got a week until phenom II's release, show us what you got then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kemo View Post
    That is something and others are trying to find an excuse that Phenom could consume less power
    but interesting to note that PII/C2Q in Crysis uses 70+W more than CPU test while I7 uses 45W or less more on Crysis , i thought all 3D and CPU results should be linear , But i was wrong
    the reason for that is simple, artificial cpu tests are stressing the cpu to the max (eg. prime with 8 threads).

    Games on the other hand dont stress all cores on Ci7 so the PCU shuts down not needed parts.

    I hope AMDs next cpu has something similar to intel PCU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrowncoatGR View Post
    well if your boss signed an NDA for that chip and you post benches he could get in trouble afaik
    He was being pretty picky about me posting info..even a screenshot or 2. He won't even tell me how he got it..I guess I could block the info like everyone else..and post a screen shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OverClocker_gr View Post
    So,this is the follow-up of the first thread regarding the new Phenom II processor series review that we did @ hwbox.gr.
    here is again the link
    http://www.hwbox.gr/showthread.php?t=3189
    All are fake ! You can see again ! special , benchmark in game !

    example with Crysis Warhead.
    benchmark in http://www.hwbox.gr/showthread.php?t=3189&garpg=22
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    benchmark in http://guru3d.com/article/top-10-gam...ore-216-test/7
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    When AMD had 64-bit and Intel had only 32-bit, they tried to tell the world there was no need for 64-bit. Until they got 64-bit.
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    When AMD had dual core and Intel had single core, they told the world that consumers don't need multi core. Until they got dual core.
    When intel was using MCM, they said it was a better solution than native dies. Until they got native dies. (To be fair, we knocked *unconnected* MCM, and still do, we never knocked MCM as a technology, so hold your flames.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by vietthanhpro View Post
    All are fake ! You can see again !
    Cause you are a little bit a ****.


    We run crysis with the lower details.

    At guru 3d they run it @ 1280*1024 + 2xAA + Gamer Details.
    @1600*1200 which is a higher resolution than 1680*1050 , they run it with Gamer Details and 2xAA
    We run it @ 1280*1024 without AA + Performance Details.
    @1680*1050 we run it at Enthusiast without AA

    Ok now?



    write my answer here too

    http://vozforums.com/showthread.php?t=146108

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    Quote Originally Posted by OverClocker_gr View Post
    Cause you are a little bit a ****.


    We run crysis with the lower details.

    At guru 3d they run it @ 1280*1024 + 2xAA + Gamer Details.
    @1600*1200 which is a higher resolution than 1680*1050 , they run it with Gamer Details and 2xAA
    We run it @ 1280*1024 without AA + Performance Details.
    @1680*1050 we run it at Enthusiast without AA

    Ok now?
    what kind of VGA do you use ?
    AND you can bring somes pictures ! about games benchmark
    OK now ?
    When AMD had 64-bit and Intel had only 32-bit, they tried to tell the world there was no need for 64-bit. Until they got 64-bit.
    When AMD had IMC and Intel had FSB, they told the world "there is plenty of life left in the FSB" (actual quote, and yes, they had *math* to show it had more bandwidth). Until they got an IMC.
    When AMD had dual core and Intel had single core, they told the world that consumers don't need multi core. Until they got dual core.
    When intel was using MCM, they said it was a better solution than native dies. Until they got native dies. (To be fair, we knocked *unconnected* MCM, and still do, we never knocked MCM as a technology, so hold your flames.)
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    don't worry about him i swear he is related to lo squartatore.

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    When do clock-per-clock comparisons arrive? I don't mean to be impatient, I'm just excited!

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    Quote Originally Posted by vietthanhpro View Post
    what kind of VGA do you use ?
    AND you can bring somes pictures ! about games benchmark
    OK now ?
    oh yes.

    deneb


    i7 @ 965 @ 940 turbo on speeds

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    Quote Originally Posted by YukonTrooper View Post
    When do clock-per-clock comparisons arrive? I don't mean to be impatient, I'm just excited!
    Maybe today(for us in greece )

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    Quote Originally Posted by OverClocker_gr View Post
    oh yes.

    deneb


    i7 @ 965 @ 940 turbo on speeds
    oh ! in DX9c, i7 run faster
    But I don't see Deneb's score in resolution 1680*1050 ! NDA?http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/11/shi11ub0.jpg
    in i7 benchmark, you can reduce QPI speeds.
    Last edited by vietthanhpro; 01-02-2009 at 12:38 AM.
    When AMD had 64-bit and Intel had only 32-bit, they tried to tell the world there was no need for 64-bit. Until they got 64-bit.
    When AMD had IMC and Intel had FSB, they told the world "there is plenty of life left in the FSB" (actual quote, and yes, they had *math* to show it had more bandwidth). Until they got an IMC.
    When AMD had dual core and Intel had single core, they told the world that consumers don't need multi core. Until they got dual core.
    When intel was using MCM, they said it was a better solution than native dies. Until they got native dies. (To be fair, we knocked *unconnected* MCM, and still do, we never knocked MCM as a technology, so hold your flames.)
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