AMD Shanghai/Deneb Review Thread

[roofsniper]

http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=471470 another one came in today.

[QuietIce]

"ref HT", "HT multi", "HTT", & etc. naming conventions are why I started using "clock" or "reference clock" instead of the other options(though "reference clock" isn't exactly right, either, it's gets the point across) and using "HT Link" helps as well, though it isn't as convenient as a couple of capped letters. HT Link and clock speeds are often confused in all those abbreviations and it's very confusing for n00bs as well as people translating posts to another language. But the labeling discussion has been going on almost as long as the A64's have been out. Too bad things got off on the wrong foot so many years ago - now it's just a mess.

http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=471470 another one came in today.

Nice! With all the great results pouring in I hope I can find a way to snag one of these come February. I'm already getting unhappy with my 9950 OC results - after looking at all the 940 OC's 3.2GHz just doesn't seem so good anymore ...

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http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=471470 another one came in today.

Excellent. I have a few friends that work for Airgas DryIce/Carbonics. I can get a box of Pellets from them for free. I may try a DICE run when I get my Denebs to see if I can get similar results.

[noki]

Enjoy with this guy benching a phenom II 5,2GHZ, (with video)

http://forum.breakthelimit.net/index...st=0&#entry754

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Enjoy with this guy benching a phenom II 5,2GHZ, (with video)

http://forum.breakthelimit.net/index...st=0&#entry754

LOL...Yeah. That's Coolice. He posts here too. What I find interesting is his 4M time in Super Pi is what I get on 1M with my 5000+ BE at stock.

[QuietIce]

LOL...Yeah. That's Coolice. He posts here too. What I find interesting is his 4M time in Super Pi is what I get on 1M with my 5000+ BE at stock.

2m 30s ...?!?

[roofsniper]

LOL...Yeah. That's Coolice. He posts here too. What I find interesting is his 4M time in Super Pi is what I get on 1M with my 5000+ BE at stock.

then i think there is something wrong with your cpu lol.

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then i think there is something wrong with your cpu lol.

Bah, I read result incorrectly. I get 28 secs in 1M Super Pi......too much Eggnog when i read/post.

[QuietIce]

Bah, I read result incorrectly. I get 28 secs in 1M Super Pi......too much Eggnog when i read/post.

Figured as much. I had to look twice myself. I thought it was a bad 1M result when I saw it. It wasn't until you pointed out the 4M that I even noticed it ...

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Figured as much. I had to look twice myself. I thought it was a bad 1M result when I saw it. It wasn't until you pointed out the 4M that I even noticed it ...

Yay, a fellow alcoholic!

[Shogan]

Well I am pretty keen to get one of these when they are officially out. The results so far are looking up. I have been on the Intel road for far too long. My last AMD system was an Athlon 2000+ :/

[mongoled]

Well I am pretty keen to get one of these when they are officially out. The results so far are looking up. I have been on the Intel road for far too long. My last AMD system was an Athlon 2000+ :/

Hey it would be great to hear your insight on using an AMD based system after having been so long on Intel. I would be very interested to hear you opinion if the AMD system feels smoother or not.

There has been many discussions regarding peeps saying that their AMD based systems feel 'smoother' than their Intel based systems. I know I am going a little off topic, but your post, for me was unique as there not many peeps who cay say that is

'I have been on the Intel road for far too long. My last AMD system was an Athlon 2000+'

There are many who say, only benchmarks can be used to determine performance, however I am not in total agreement. With regards to non Nehelam cores, the fact that the north bridge is not situated in the CPU, for me at least means that some latency differences occur between multi core AMD CPU's and Intel CPU's.

Not all people are as responsive with regards to the environmental changes that occur around them. Personally I have often that certain notebook configarations that use an AMD single core CPU, has felt 'snapier' than faster spec-ed Intel counterparts.

Ofcourse there is a strong arguments that a more stingent test environment needs to be in place as to test why some peeps feel AMD systems feel 'smoother' and 'snapier' and I couldnt agree more with chain of thought.

However this may never happen, heheheeee



So it would be great to hear comments regarding Denebs performance once you have your system in place. Im sure you are going to have alot of fun



I cant wait to get a Phenom II, am hoping for 4Ghz stable on my WC setup with moderate voltages. Im currently running 3.3Ghz with 1.47v, prime stable, so if I can get 4Ghz with similar power consumption I will be than happy

[iandh]

Hey it would be great to hear your insight on using an AMD based system after having been so long on Intel. I would be very interested to hear you opinion if the AMD system feels smoother or not.

There has been many discussions regarding peeps saying that their AMD based systems feel 'smoother' than their Intel based systems. I know I am going a little off topic, but your post, for me was unique as there not many peeps who cay say that is

'I have been on the Intel road for far too long. My last AMD system was an Athlon 2000+'

There are many who say, only benchmarks can be used to determine performance, however I am not in total agreement. With regards to non Nehelam cores, the fact that the north bridge is not situated in the CPU, for me at least means that some latency differences occur between multi core AMD CPU's and Intel CPU's.

Not all people are as responsive with regards to the environmental changes that occur around them. Personally I have often that certain notebook configarations that use an AMD single core CPU, has felt 'snapier' than faster spec-ed Intel counterparts.

Ofcourse there is a strong arguments that a more stingent test environment needs to be in place as to test why some peeps feel AMD systems feel 'smoother' and 'snapier' and I couldnt agree more with chain of thought.

However this may never happen, heheheeee



So it would be great to hear comments regarding Denebs performance once you have your system in place. Im sure you are going to have alot of fun



I cant wait to get a Phenom II, am hoping for 4Ghz stable on my WC setup with moderate voltages. Im currently running 3.3Ghz with 1.47v, prime stable, so if I can get 4Ghz with similar power consumption I will be than happy

Well, fugger says Phenom + BS = smoother

I say BS + possible bias + closed mind = uninformed opinion



I have a Q6600, E7200, and E8400 sitting in my closet right now that say otherwise.

Maybe my 4870 just plays nicer with an AMD chipset, but I will argue 'til worlds end that I get better framerate stability with this setup than with either my Q6600 or my E8400/Gigabyte P35 DS3L, which is a comparable quality board to the Biostar 790GX I am using.

[flippin_waffles]

You know what the good thing here is though don't ya. If and when Deneb becomes a success, more and more people are going to be crossing over to AMD from Intel. So when people start telling their experiences, it should be good publicity. I've read hundreds of posts already, that say it's a better experience, and that was with the original Phenom. It seems to me, AMD are seriously pushing the platform idea. And I think it's a pretty good one at that. However, it may not turn out that way. lol But, i'd lay odds that it will.

Disclaimer:

I may have had a few too many...

[imsochobo]

Well...

What i think amd can win very much on is their game system, every single lan im at, there is some stupid idiot who have bought an laptop and just swipping in for a game or two, they copy the game, trying to start it, and starting to shout and swear out.

THIS LAPTOP WAS SUPPOSED TO BE F****N good and they go on, and i watch, ahh intel IGP, dont expect to do other than office and msn on that one

AMD make products which atleast can do "household" games like sims, sim city, and that with good graphics, ive personally tested the HD3300, and that was an good experience for an IGP to be!.

amd have pushed out a system called game, game ultra and so on.

this tells an stupid consumer: this can run old and mild new games.
or : this can run crysis!

their platforms can be a big hit, and it can make costumers understand what it can or what it cannot, try explaining the diffrent components and what they mean in terms of usage to an not so enlightened user.

then i can just say: GOOD LUCK.

but just that will take a long time before it will become an term for an "normal" person.

Amd with an complete platform can do just this, when games come with an label minimum requirements :
AMD game REV1 for instance.
REccomended AMD game REV3

would ease some conversations for me to say the least.

hope amd gets back in the game, more compotition, safer future for amd, and for us consumers when it comes to value for our beloved cash!

[qurious63ss]

You know what the good thing here is though don't ya. If and when Deneb becomes a success, more and more people are going to be crossing over to AMD from Intel. So when people start telling their experiences, it should be good publicity. I've read hundreds of posts already, that say it's a better experience, and that was with the original Phenom. It seems to me, AMD are seriously pushing the platform idea. And I think it's a pretty good one at that. However, it may not turn out that way. lol But, i'd lay odds that it will.

Disclaimer:

I may have had a few too many...

LOL!! A bit early ain't it? Anyways, don't forget that in order to get people to cross over from Intel to Amd then Phenom II needs to offer a definite reason to switch. It doesn't it. For someone who already owns AM2 then it makes sense simple as that but for those that don't it gets complicated.

[Blaber]

LOL!! A bit early ain't it? Anyways, don't forget that in order to get people to cross over from Intel to Amd then Phenom II needs to offer a definite reason to switch. It doesn't it. For someone who already owns AM2 then it makes sense simple as that but for those that don't it gets complicated.

I agree with you that if you right now have any Intel quad , then there's no reasons to switch unless you like to play with the new phenom II , but for any one building a new system , Phenom II providing as good performance and overclock ability, much much better power draw than Phenom1 (Could be better that COMPETITION , but no reviews till now on this) ,running really COOL as competing Intel products for a decent price AND OBVIOUSLY NOT TO END UP WITH A DEAD PLATFORM...Socket775, Phenom II specially the AM3 socket really looks good.

[flippin_waffles]

LOL!! A bit early ain't it?

Yes, but i'm still celebrating Christmas.

Anyway, it seems to me that the excitement mounting is going to make 2009 a good year. This doesn't even resemble the orginal Phenom launch. I'd bet AMD has a good stockpile of these spread around the world and they seem to be indicating they anticipate a fairly successful launch.

[qurious63ss]

I agree with you that if you right now have any Intel quad , then there's no reasons to switch unless you like to play with the new phenom II , but for any one building a new system , Phenom II providing as good performance and overclock ability, much much better power draw than Phenom1 (Could be better that COMPETITION , but no reviews till now on this) ,running really COOL as competing Intel products for a decent price AND OBVIOUSLY NOT TO END UP WITH A DEAD PLATFORM...Socket775, Phenom II specially the AM3 socket really looks good.

Only one problem, C2Q will either match or beat all the things you mention. Only thing left is upgradeability, but how important is that when it looks like it will take at least a new architecture from Amd to surpass Intel's performance.

[Blaber]

Only one problem, C2Q will either match or beat all the things you mention. Only thing left is upgradeability, but how important is that when it looks like it will take at least a new architecture from Amd to surpass Intel's performance.

Phenom II CLK/NB @ 3.7/2.25 Ghz Using DDRII, So how much of an improvement in scores one will see on PhenomII using DDR3 @ 1333 and Nb @ 2.7 Ghz where as there is nothing more that u can do to Intel quad to get more performance like U can't increase NB speed to gain performance , its already running DDR3..So as I said when building a new system going for a s775 dead platform is not really best thing to do.

[qurious63ss]

How much performance are we talking about 3-5%?? and that would be best case scenario.Like I said before, it will still take a new generation from Amd to beat C2Q so the 775 being dead is a moot point.

[VoodooProphetII]

I've just build a rig with a Phenom 9950, Asus M3A79-T Deluxe and 2GB Crucial Ballistix Tracers 1066 memory, and the main reason for me building the rig was to do some AMD clocking before trying out Phenom II. Now I've still got an E8400 and Q6600 and an Asus Rampage Extreme mobo with 2GB OCZ DDR3 2000mhz memory which is basically my benching system. Now hwving played games (Far Cry 2 and Crysis) on both rig, I can really feel the difference, and checking the FPS it's basically the same at 1680x1050 with an overclocked GTX280 in both setups. It's clear that the 2GB memory is a bit of a hamper, and I'm still trying to get 4 x 1GB sticks of memory to work in the AMD setup, but I'll get there eventually.

When I start running benchies it's a whole different story, with the Intel setup clearly beating the AMD hands down.

I'm glad I got the 9950, and I'm running the 9950 at 3.3Ghz 24/7 stable with 1.4Vcore. I am using cheap water cooling, but my temps never exceeds 52C under load, and it would idle around 42C.

[QuietIce]

Just been testing out my 9950BE and it's doing well, though I admit I'm not very impressed with the voltage regulation on the M3A78-T. I guess I've been spoiled OC'ing A8N32's (8-phase power) for the past 2.5 years, I expect voltage to be spot on and stay there. The M3A32 (8+2) I've been using since April has been even more solid than the A8N32's.

FYI for anybody buying a newer AM2+ board - stick with 8+2 power and heat-sinked MOSFETs!

How much performance are we talking about 3-5%?? and that would be best case scenario.Like I said before, it will still take a new generation from Amd to beat C2Q so the 775 being dead is a moot point.

S-t-r-e-t-c-h ...

[qurious63ss]

Just been testing out my 9950BE and it's doing well, though I admit I'm not very impressed with the voltage regulation on the M3A78-T. I guess I've been spoiled OC'ing A8N32's (8-phase power) for the past 2.5 years, I expect voltage to be spot on and stay there. The M3A32 (8+2) I've been using since April has been even more solid than the A8N32's.

FYI for anybody buying a newer AM2+ board - stick with 8+2 power and heat-sinked MOSFETs!

S-t-r-e-t-c-h ...

Yes indeed my friend. It has been a long S-t-r-e-t-c-h but unless you see something that i don't then it will take something more the Phenom II to beat C2Q.

[informal]

Phenom IIs,especially AM3 ones,will do just fine against same clocked Penryns