AMD Shanghai/Deneb Review Thread

[Blaber]

I though this XS running your system to the extreme, not trashing every produced that fall by 1% behind the competitor.

Hey Demon I didn't get your point.Thrashing , when and where I did that.Lol pls check my sig.I and thrash Phenom II impossible.

[ryba]

Something about coldbug with Phenom II 940 on cascade ->

HTT 270 bootable
HTT 280 easly to bench
NB and HT freq. 2250MHz - easly to bench

Evap temp ~-115*C, for me it's good score

[Lightman]

Something about coldbug with Phenom II 940 on cascade ->

HTT 270 bootable
HTT 280 easly to bench
NB and HT freq. 2250MHz - easly to bench

Evap temp ~-115*C, for me it's good score

Thanks for info Ryba!
What clocks did you achieve on cascade?

PS. Is PhII already available to buy in Poland? (if yes, then where)

[ryba]

Thanks for info Ryba!
What clocks did you achieve on cascade?

PS. Is PhII already available to buy in Poland? (if yes, then where)

Is not available now to buy it

5.2GHz for Spi16/32M and less than 5GHz for wprime/3dm06 with 1.7V

[informal]

Something about coldbug with Phenom II 940 on cascade ->

HTT 270 bootable
HTT 280 easly to bench
NB and HT freq. 2250MHz - easly to bench

Evap temp ~-115*C, for me it's good score

Hi there.You can try and completely avoid the coldbug by running HyperTransport links at ~1GHz.NB clocks can be default or even higher,but HyperTransport should be kept at 1.0 standard and at 1GHz.

[Ashraf]

Do I have to say this again?

This is not the place to troll and flamebait. Keep AMD vs Intel discussions or "AMD can't beat Intel" out of this thread.

Please stay on topic.

[G0ldBr1ck]

thank you

[G0ldBr1ck]

With HT set to 1.0 how high can the Frequency go without hitting cold bug?

[roofsniper]

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20081226PD204.html

[Throwed]

With HT set to 1.0 how high can the Frequency go without hitting cold bug?

I think so. IIRC, Sampsa and others went this route. IIRC, they mostly overclocked via Multi only. I don't believe much FSB was done either.

[G0ldBr1ck]

I think so. IIRC, Sampsa and others went this route. IIRC, they mostly overclocked via Multi only. I don't believe much FSB was done either.

I didnt word that right. what I meant was how high can the NB go before hitting the coldbug.

[ryba]

I think so. IIRC, Sampsa and others went this route. IIRC, they mostly overclocked via Multi only. I don't believe much FSB was done either.

It's hard overclock cpu by FSB, when CPU don't have it.

[Movieman]

Ahh, the day after Christmas. When peoples hearts are full of joy and human kindness..
Well, I thought they were till I came here and saw the old Lets bash X and inflame the guys..
Ok, took my shovel and cleaned out the garbage and then did a little sweeping to clean it up.
Gentlemen, be friends will ya?
Man, can't ya just sit back and say lets see what this new beast from AMD will really do in mortal hands?
And then this troll bringing up ancient history about Intel as if the Universe would have changed had they been lilly white and angelic in their business practices.. JEEZ..
If your so riled up that you can't come here without fighting maybe it's time to go release some of that testosterone in another way.
No, I'm not going to say what I'm thinking but for Christ's sake literally, relax a bit will ya?

[SoF]

I did 220htt with -160 °C ht 2.0 1320 MHZ for all benches and found out (somehow) settings short afterwards with dice -60°C core idle 250htt boot - I think HTT will raise sooner or later for the results. Testing with multi is just so easy for initial, short testing and you tend to leave out htt for a second but 300 HTT has already been reached with Destroyer on Air and I don't think -195° will pull it down to 200...

[ryba]

I did 220htt with -160 °C ht 2.0 1320 MHZ for all benches and found out (somehow) settings short afterwards with dice -60°C core idle 250htt boot - I think HTT will raise sooner or later for the results. Testing with multi is just so easy for initial, short testing and you tend to leave out htt for a second but 300 HTT has already been reached with Destroyer on Air and I don't think -195° will pull it down to 200...

Low HTT = Low memory freq. -> bad performence

[demonkevy666]

Low HTT = Low memory freq. -> bad performence

that's only for other chips like the X2. phenom's have ram dividers.

[G0ldBr1ck]

Low HTT = Low memory freq. -> bad performence

The Hypertransport has a separate multi from the MemControler. IMC can remain at 2000 regardless of HT

[gosh]

Weird results
Why PII seems to better support high resolution gaming than Penryn?
Like more stressful it becomes the more global PII architecture shines!
Very Intriguing

Wrote this in another thread
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=285

Sample calculation for total fps, just to show (very simplified):
Resolution = 800x600
C2Q: 10 seconds 30 fps, 60 seconds 50 fps, 30 seconds 100 fps = (10x30 + 60x50 + 30x100) / 100 = 63 FPS

Phenom: 10 seconds 40 fps, 60 seconds 50 fps, 30 seconds 70 fps = (10x30 + 60x50 + 30x100) / 100 = 54 FPS

Resolution = 1920x1200 (video card cuts frames on 50 fps and lowers the rest some)
C2Q: 10 seconds 25 fps, 60 seconds 40 fps, 30 seconds 50 fps = (10x25 + 60x40 + 30x50) / 100 = 41 FPS

Phenom: 10 seconds 35 fps, 60 seconds 40 fps, 30 seconds 50 fps = (10x35 + 60x40 + 30x50) / 100 = 42 FPS

[ryba]

that's only for other chips like the X2. phenom's have ram dividers.

Allways we have some dividers, but way to calculate memory freq. is different on old X2 and Phenoms.

The Hypertransport has a separate multi from the MemControler. IMC can remain at 2000 regardless of HT

What you are doing in this forum if you don't see different betwen HT and HTT?

I know that you are from usa, but think about you read here, is not that hard.

[roofsniper]

Allways we have some dividers, but way to calculate memory freq. is different on old X2 and Phenoms.



What you are doing in this forum if you don't see different betwen HT and HTT?

I know that you are from usa, but think about you read here, is not that hard.

htt = hyper threading technology?

[G0ldBr1ck]

Allways we have some dividers, but way to calculate memory freq. is different on old X2 and Phenoms.



What you are doing in this forum if you don't see different betwen HT and HTT?

I know that you are from usa, but think about you read here, is not that hard.

you know what, never mind. not gonna take the bait.

Low HTT = Low memory freq. -> bad performence

So where is this low HTT in SOF's post you quoted? all I see is above default speeds so I guessed you must have meant the HT link speed, The only thing that was low in his post.

[imsochobo]

Phenoms have 2 freqs. one for NB (what i belive that is memory controller, which is said to have to be either equal or higher than the HT freq, on my phenom 9850 it is 10 by default (2000 mhz) and so is HT Link.

any1 who have a phenom can easyly see it in memory section, NB speed, and you got the normal HT link.

Does the NB freq matter at all ?this is though for memory i reccon, but that is what I!! belive, so theese are no facts except what the standard frequencies are. ( what i mean is, does the NB freq make the chip coldbug at all, or is to just to leave it at standard. is this whats been done on all sessions. i already know 1000 mhz HT link means that many chips can go down to almost 190- on LN2 but well, they have never ever mentioned the NB freq.

SOF, tested that at all ?

And yeah true, phenoms have dividers for memory pitty i cannot run lower than CL4 on 1066 mhz.

[justapost]

htt = hyper threading technology?

Yepp, that's what i found in the BKDG also. Guess they mean ref HT.

[justapost]

Phenoms have 2 freqs. one for NB (what i belive that is memory controller, which is said to have to be either equal or higher than the HT freq, on my phenom 9850 it is 10 by default (2000 mhz) and so is HT Link.

any1 who have a phenom can easyly see it in memory section, NB speed, and you got the normal HT link.

Does the NB freq matter at all ?this is though for memory i reccon, but that is what I!! belive, so theese are no facts except what the standard frequencies are. ( what i mean is, does the NB freq make the chip coldbug at all, or is to just to leave it at standard. is this whats been done on all sessions. i already know 1000 mhz HT link means that many chips can go down to almost 190- on LN2 but well, they have never ever mentioned the NB freq.

SOF, tested that at all ?

And yeah true, phenoms have dividers for memory pitty i cannot run lower than CL4 on 1066 mhz.

Memspeed = ref HT / mem divider
NB speed = ref HT * NB Multi
CPU speed = ref HT * CPU Multi
HT speed = ref HT * HT multi

HT multi must be less or equal with the NB multi.

The on die memory controller and the L3 cache run at NB speed.
HT speed is most interesting in dual/multi socket systems because the chips are connented via HT.
On single socket systems it may have an minimal impact on games. On boards with sideport memory this memory is connected via HT also if I understood macci correct.

[roofsniper]

Yepp, that's what i found in the BKDG also. Guess they mean ref HT.

i think sometimes people get confused and say it. i know i do sometimes. maybe they are thinking of hyper transport terminal. idk

and yes nb/ht speeds do matter. you can see there are some pics around here with people messing around with the nb speeds and theres a big difference.