AMD Shanghai/Deneb Review Thread

[Caveman787]

I think so. But it's a combination of high northbride and hypertransport speeds that lead to an increase in performance.

And I believe the northbridge and hypertransport is why phenom users claim smoother gameplay.

[Jazzman]

NB > 2600 is rare but certainly possible even with a Phenom I and the right tweaks. The HT Link has more influence over CPU video processing than the NB by itself but the NB does determine the total possible I/O of the CPU.

I didn't really get the rest of the question - I guess I'm dense today ...

It has been postulated in XS that the integration of cpu, memory, chipset, video card, and drivers results in a synergy producing superior performance. This is the AMD fusion marketing position. After the AMD event in Boston, some peeps reported Phenom II beat an i7 965 in a Crysis demo.

[Caveman787]

We don't know about that yet, hasn't been any details on if that'll make a difference and I don't see how it could really.

[Ghostbuster]

So your screenshot with XP GUI is Windows 7?

The clue was in the GPU-Z window..

More Phenom II benchies from http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1376983

[roofsniper]

nice i guess he did get it although it appears like an old one. i just hope i can get mine soon.

[ownage]

Thats really bad lol
C2Q @ 4ghz can hit 6k cpu score.
The phenom2 at 4ghz should do around 5400 - 5500 I think.

[ajaidev]

This shows the CPU scores around 4483

http://www.breakthelimit.net/coolice...stock/3d06.PNG

and this shows 4091 and they ran the bench at the same resolution??



OK SEEN THE DIFFERENCE - The new screen is an ES where as the 4483 is a retail one also one is Vista and the other one is XP.

[roofsniper]

anyone know what the stock voltage is? cause i keep seeing pretty high numbers for voltage when its at 3ghz.

[charged3800z24]

you cannot do like comparisons when they are not "like". I have not seen a 1066mhz ram with decent timings, etc. Until we see a decent review that compares systems with like compontents (besides board and CPU) can you judge a "like" comparison.

[ajaidev]

Ya it is a bit i seen most 3Ghz PhII's at 1.352 but this one was at 1.368 i think...!!!

[charged3800z24]

anyone know what the stock voltage is? cause i keep seeing pretty high numbers for voltage when its at 3ghz.

1.35v is what stock Phenom II stock v's are supose to be. Is that what you were asking? I sometimes get lost in these threads...

[roofsniper]

you cannot do like comparisons when they are not "like". I have not seen a 1066mhz ram with decent timings, etc. Until we see a decent review that compares systems with like compontents (besides board and CPU) can you judge a "like" comparison.

we will not see an even benchmark until am3 is released. then the only differences between the intel cpus and amd cpus will be the motherboards and the cpus.

[roofsniper]

1.35v is what stock Phenom II stock v's are supose to be. Is that what you were asking? I sometimes get lost in these threads...

yea thats what im asking its just a little odd that for moving to 45nm the voltage actually goes up another .1v.

[ajaidev]

Not even an AM3 motherboad will use the same components than say a x58 uses so you cant compare alike intel and amd systems...

[roofsniper]

Not even an AM3 motherboad will use the same components than say a x58 uses so you cant compare alike intel and amd systems...

no but that will at least come down to having better platforms which matters too. its different than comparing a ddr2 800 cpu to a ddr3 1600 cpu when the people that make the ram have nothing to do with either company that makes the cpu.

[charged3800z24]

Not even an AM3 motherboad will use the same components than say a x58 uses so you cant compare alike intel and amd systems...

I said besides CPU and Motherboard. Same Hard,drive, ram, video, psu .... this is the best was to compare them. Of course you cannot stick an AMD chip into a Intel socket...so that is irrelevant. It is like putting a HD4850 with the Intel and then a HD4870 x2 in the AMD and saying the AMD is faster because it had the highest overall score in 3dmark06....

[Jazzman]

Thats really bad lol
C2Q @ 4ghz can hit 6k cpu score.
The phenom2 at 4ghz should do around 5400 - 5500 I think.

Well, Coolice got cpu=5846 at 4.0Ghz. But his NB was 2600mhz. SOURCE

[informal]

2.6Ghz NB is bigger !

No wai!1!1! 2.6Ghz is "bigger" than 1.8GHz?1? Who would have think of that?

Newsflash for you: The chip is fully unlocked and you can set Northbridge frequency as high as chip lets you.If you read up about BIOS on K10 and know what you are doing,you can get as high as 2.7Ghz stable on Phenom II's Nortbridge.And then you can move on the core clocks.

[roofsniper]

2.6Ghz NB is bigger !

this is exactly what i am talking about. the northbridge is overclockable. yes thats true i said it. now show me a penryn running on stock fsb.

[QuietIce]

Well, Coolice got cpu=5846 at 4.0Ghz. But his NB was 2600mhz. SOURCE

That's one of the biggest issues and few people look at it or bother to take it into consideration. If you could crank up both the NB and HT Link you'd likely see very different results than stock clocks.

Of course, the biggest problem with NB speed is CPU-Z doesn't display it on validation nor the first tab ...

[charged3800z24]

Here is a comparison I just did with one of my mild OC'd 4850's. I ran loose timings @ 800mhz Ram, 1800mhz HT/1800mhz NB 3.3ghz CPU. I ran another test with same 3.3ghz CPU and 2400mhz HT/2400mhz NB, 1066mhz and a lil tighter timings. notice the scores...CPU changed a lil, but the overall went up a lot more.

[Progerien]

Thats really bad lol
C2Q @ 4ghz can hit 6k cpu score.
The phenom2 at 4ghz should do around 5400 - 5500 I think.

Under Vista with 400MHz memory ? I doubt :/
But I prefer waiting for the real Phenom 2 ^^

Phenom 2 seems to be good under 3dmark, I am waiting for its real price in market ^^

Charged3800z24, can you try with more bus speed, and 1:2 FSBRAM ?

Cordialement,

[Zucker2k]

this is exactly what i am talking about. the northbridge is overclockable. yes thats true i said it. now show me a penryn running on stock fsb.

How's that a fair comparison, when you mention "overclockable" for one chip, and "stock" for the other? Wouldn't a fair comparison be a stock vs stock scenario?

[roofsniper]

How's that a fair comparison, when you mention "overclockable" for one chip, and "stock" for the other? Wouldn't a fair comparison be a stock vs stock scenario?

so if you are gonna compare an overclocked penryn with an overclocked phenom why is it wrong to have an overclocked northbridge on the phenom when the penryn has it as well?

[QuietIce]

Here is a comparison I just did with one of my mild OC'd 4850's. I ran loose timings @ 800mhz Ram, 1800mhz HT/1800mhz NB 3.3ghz CPU. I ran another test with same 3.3ghz CPU and 2400mhz HT/2400mhz NB, 1066mhz and a lil tighter timings. notice the scores...CPU changed a lil, but the overall went up a lot more.

Thanks for performing that test and posting the results!

Not as much as I expected but more than most people probably figured on ...