AMD Shanghai/Deneb Review Thread

[Zucker2k]

How hard is it for peeps to stay on topic????

Its quite clear what is happening, AMD peeps are trying to keep on topic, then someone posts info regarding Intel CPU v the Phenom II CPU's and the AMD peeps have to counter.

Now.......the peeps posting the Intel info are consistant, one of them has already been banned, I will be contacting Ashraf directly if the other peeps (you know who you are, the usual suspects) continue in trying to derig this thread.

There are other threads making comparissons between PII and Intel CPU's

GO AND POST ON THOSE

Leave this thread to be as title says

'AMD Shanghai/Deneb Review Thread'

PI vs PII comparissons very welcome as they are both AMD and relevant

PI vs PII vs Intel counterparts

Unwelcome........

-- ON TOPIC --

Peeps posting info regarding PI vs PII, try to post comparissons using similar OS's, been many people posting 32bit vs 64bit scores and not initially realising this. In this way a more realistic picture can be gained of what to expect.

Also, this is Xtreme Systems, we are ofcourse happy to see default clocks vs default clocks. But its not like we are going to be running our CPU's at default clocks, LOL

I am very interested in scaling of NB clocks as are many with CPU speeds, this will be the rabbit in AMD tweakers hats to getting better scores. Hopefully the info regarding PII reviews will increase.....

Final words

PLEASE STAY ON TOPIC

Well, you did a very good job of staying on topic yourself Yes this is the Deneb review thread, problem is reviews are not here yet and we're on 30 pages

About PH1 vs PH2: PH1 is not going to be PHII's main competitor, the competitors are on the other side. We all know when the reviews start streaming in, it's going to be 45nm vs 45nm. This is always the way it is. This is what makes sense! PHII is going to be tested against the competition. It is going to be reviewed, it has to be tested against something? For example, ALL the Shanghai reviews on the first page, pit it against products from Intel. Even the previews of Deneb do the same except for a couple. So it is inevitable, we'll see it. If you prefer to discuss exclusively Deneb without pitting against other processors, create your own thread because you're in the wrong thread. It's obvious that the OP (Original Poster) had a different idea from all those links on the first page, you can look it up if you're in doubt.

Now, On Topic: It seems there isn't much that'll be accepted by either side until we start seeing the hard facts. Maybe this thread needs to be closed till reviews start streaking in, otherwise we're on topic by discussing Deneb (as per the OP's post) against the competition. Some choose to see it as Intel vs AMD, I choose to see it as the reality.

Sorry for going off topic, but with the way things have gone so far, someone needed to remind everybody what this thread is truly about. Thanks.
Maybe let's all wait till the reviews start coming in and then we can start talking about what chips are included in the review?