AMD Shanghai/Deneb Review Thread

[Ghostbuster]

I just checked some Q9xxx 3dmark06 CPU scores at the ORB.It looks like Phenom II and Q9x50 are pretty much even at the same clocks in this test
PhII 4Ghz : 5846
Q9550 @4Ghz : 5766 (Phenom wins by a small margin-80pts which is within margin of error-so they are the same per clock)
Q9650 @ 4.05Ghz : 6033 (Q9650 per clock wins by 1.1%,within margin of error).

Yours is slightly flawed because that was on Windows XP 64-bit. The reference 4GHz Phenom was on Windows XP 32-bit. I can find better scores then that, for example Q9550 @ 3.739GHz scores 6013 on Windows XP 32-bit

I say again all these Phenom II previews are just that-previews.We should wait for final reviews with proper bios versions and final platform to make up our mind where it sits exactly vs Q9xxx series.By the looks of the latest info it's quite competitive ,both per clock and in OCing abilities.

Anyway, I've made my prediction many moons ago.. As for the finale vs Q9xxx, I've already saw early on that it will be behind Q9550 as all clues are pointing towards that. I compare with stock clocks, and again all results pointing to that conclusion again. Well, now you can predict the pricing...

[roofsniper]

there are no clues since there are no benchmarks that can be trusted. this entire thing is still up in there air. no one really knows how it will perform against intel cpus but we know its at least better than the first phenom. i would like to keep the whole intel thing out of this until official benchmarks are released since it will only start an argument that can't be ended since there is no proof of anything. and you really can't compare benchmarks from different sources together since all the parts aren't the same and the systems are not tweaked the same.

[Ghostbuster]

Update... Q9550 @4.038GHz CPU score = 6316 on Windows XP 32-bit This is the nearest score I can find, almost the same GPU scores, also its a HD4870...

[AbelJemka]

Yours is slightly flawed because that was on Windows XP 64-bit. The reference 4GHz Phenom was on Windows XP 32-bit. I can find better scores then that, for example Q9550 @ 3.739GHz scores 6013 on Windows XP 32-bit

Anyway, I've made my prediction many moons ago.. As for the finale vs Q9xxx, I've already saw early on that it will be behind Q9550 as all clues are pointing towards that. I compare with stock clocks, and again all results pointing to that conclusion again. Well, now you can predict the pricing...

Phenom II already scoring 5846 at 4GHzwith a beta bios on non optimized system (400MHz memory cas 5) is for me on the same range as Q9xxx scoring around 6000 at +3,8GHz

Update... Q9550 @4.038GHz CPU score = 6316 on Windows XP 32-bit This is the nearest score I can find, almost the same GPU scores, also its a HD4870...

Heavily optmized system versus unoptimized system with beta bios. I don't know what u search to prove?

[Ghostbuster]

Phenom II already scoring 5846 at 4GHzwith a beta bios on non optimized system (400MHz memory cas 5) is for me on the same range as Q9xxx scoring around 6000 at +3,8GHz

Now what's left is how well it can run in air or water cooling in normal setups, then we will see how competitive it can be...

[AbelJemka]

I see quite a bunch of overclocking with normal setup on aircooling already but i prefer to wait for final review.

[roofsniper]

Now what's left is how well it can run in air or water cooling in normal setups, then we will see how competitive it can be...

there have been plenty of times that it has been on an air or water cooling setup. it is a known fact that it can get 4ghz on air and 6 ghz on ln2 so most of the time when you are seeing a 4ghz phenom II it is on air.

[Caveman787]

So anybody know how well its gonna perform gaming wise?

Apparantly i7 is better for games then core2 because it gets better minimum framerates.

At one of the events in the video they said the minimum framerates were doubled.

Can anyone verify them being the good?

Like everyone else I can't wait for more benches and details other than ln2 since I'm not gonna be running more than air.

[roofsniper]

So anybody know how well its gonna perform gaming wise?

Apparantly i7 is better for games then core2 because it gets better minimum framerates.

At one of the events in the video they said the minimum framerates were doubled.

Can anyone verify them being the good?

Like everyone else I can't wait for more benches and details other than ln2 since I'm not gonna be running more than air.

well i have always thought that a phenom was smoother for gaming than a core 2 was in the first place even tho the core 2 got higher frame rates. this could be the fact that the phenom keeps the fps being about the same instead of having it go from high to medium and from high to medium. i can't say how it will be for gaming for sure but im sure it will be amazing.

[Ghostbuster]

Heavily optmized system versus unoptimized system with beta bios. I don't know what u search to prove?

The 4GHz Phenom II system was using ASUS HD4870 Toxic.. so that is pre-factory overclocked for sure. Thus I look for a similar card (thus similar GPU scores) and a similar clocked Q9550 processor.

[LC_Nab]

The 4GHz Phenom II system was using ASUS HD4870 Toxic.. so that is pre-factory overclocked for sure. Thus I look for a similar card (thus similar GPU scores) and a similar clocked Q9550 processor.

Like we are all saying the phenom II is runing on beta bios so im pretty sure it will perform even better with the true bios and mostly on the true am3 boards . Time will tell

[AbelJemka]

The 4GHz Phenom II system was using ASUS HD4870 Toxic.. so that is pre-factory overclocked for sure. Thus I look for a similar card (thus similar GPU scores) and a similar clocked Q9550 processor.

Time wasting for you!
On Orb it's too hard to know if videocard are overclocked, so busting such score will indicate a lot but so little in the same time
Same for CPU score with 06, so influenced by subsystem optimization is hard to compare.