Undersea Cables Cut; 14 Countries Lose Web

[Revv23]

amazing how the whole world is connected by just a few cables...

[phelan1777]

I trust wireless as far as I can throw Bush's Limo.

[Shintai]

For those working with backbone providers. The internet is an utter joke and its on the edge of insanity that corporations put such trust in it. It makes CDO loans look sane.

Whats wrong you may ask?

Usually within 1 country. The internet is or can be rather controlled. And even if 2 telcos get mad at one another. The goverment could fix it instantly.
Plus again the infrastructure is much better.

However when this happens between 2 international telcos it goes horrible wrong. Cogent vs Telia is a nice example here. Its basicly a mudfight between 2 companies. And either there is no route at all. Or you could potentially have to cross the atlantic or something worse. I seen both 2 US telcos and 2 european telcos where it was crossing europe and USA to get back. 10-30ms becomes 100-150ms. All due to lack of peerings.

Next is country to country infrastructure. Specially overseas. Seacables can take days at best or easily weeks or months to be repaired.

Then mix it with outsourcing and globalization. These cables also carries phones and such. Imagine big major companies, HP, Dell, Lenovo, IBM etc without a callcenter because some line to Pakistan or India is broken.

Saudi Arabia: 55% out of service
Djibouti: 71% out of service
Egypt: 52% out of service
United Arab Emirates: 68% out of service
India: 82% out of service
Lebanon: 16% out of service
Malaysia: 42% out of service
Maldives: 100% out of service (Nice Intranet!)
Pakistan: 51% out of service
Qatar: 73% out of service
Syria: 36% out of service
Taiwan: 39% out of service
Yemen: 38% out of service
Zambia: 62% out of service

Plus ofcourse we have some BGP announcements that can go horrible wrong. The internet works fine most of the time. But its actually a fragile card house.

France Telecom immediately alerted one of the two maintenance boats based in the Mediterranean area, the “Raymond Croze”. This France Telecom Marine cable ship based at Seyne-sur-Mer has received its mobilization order early this afternoon and will cast off tonight at 3:00 am with 20 kilometers spare cable on board. It should be on location on Monday morning for a relief mission.

Priority will be given to the recovery of the Sea Me We4 cable, then on the Sea Me We3.

By December 25th, Sea Me We4 could be operating. By December 31st, the situation should be back to normal.

[Starscream]

How did they get cut last year, did they find out?

Ship anchor.
back then there was a big storm out there and ships went for anchor to wait out the storm.

The anchor ofc has to get grip and until it gets that it will drag along the ocean for a while wich increases the chance of hitting a cable.

Back then they found the ships that did it with satelite images.
the maps ships got show the cables on them and the ships arent allowed to throw out an anchor at those locations.

[strange|ife]

false flag cable cuttings

[Serra]

For those working with backbone providers. The internet is an utter joke and its on the edge of insanity that corporations put such trust in it. It makes CDO loans look sane.
...
Plus ofcourse we have some BGP announcements that can go horrible wrong. The internet works fine most of the time. But its actually a fragile card house.

Oh come on.

I'm in networking myself, and we support some very large companies out of my division. Last time the cables were cut we had a number of TOP oil, electronics, and banks lose connectivity to sites in the middle east... for a very short period of time, minus a few outposts that are so small they effectively don't matter. Honestly, the level of impact ended up being VERY small, because redundancy does exist and it exists in spades - it's just a matter of knowing who to call and how you want your packets routed (ie. do you decide to have it routed through Europe-Canada-US or Pacific-San Francisco).

Overall the structure is pretty robust, but it's the response time of the individuals in charge of these networks that really do make it stable. Yeah, you might have a minute or two of outages when a MAJOR issue takes place, but that's all. It's no worse than for any other system.

Edit: And yes, if you live in a third world country that can barely supply POWER to everyone all the time letalone any other services, you're a lot more likely to be cut off for an extended period of time. Go figure.

[XSAlliN]

Funny topic, funny problem...

[Mk]

Satelite internet sucks. Susceptible to weather, and horrid latency (250+ms)

dude my every day latency is 400ms 250 will be haven to me

[Bobsama]

Tracing route to www.xtremesystems.org [67.90.82.13]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms 192.168.1.1
2 22 ms 19 ms 23 ms cable1-0.albynytry-ar401.nyroc.rr.com [74.70.28.
1]
3 22 ms 22 ms 23 ms gig1-0.albynytry-rtr02.nyroc.rr.com [24.29.39.81
]
4 27 ms 24 ms 21 ms gig1-1-0.albynywav-rtr01.nyroc.rr.com [24.29.37.
45]
5 22 ms 22 ms 23 ms ge-1-0-0.albynywav-rtr03.nyroc.rr.com [24.24.7.2
1]
6 25 ms 24 ms 25 ms 66.109.6.74
7 42 ms 78 ms 26 ms 66.109.6.163
8 79 ms 274 ms 204 ms 207.88.182.73.ptr.us.xo.net [207.88.182.73]
9 37 ms * 41 ms 65.106.1.114.ptr.us.xo.net [65.106.1.114]
10 48 ms 36 ms 34 ms 65.106.1.113.ptr.us.xo.net [65.106.1.113]
11 46 ms 47 ms 48 ms p6-0-0.RAR2.Atlanta-GA.us.xo.net [65.106.0.6]
12 70 ms 71 ms 71 ms p0-0-0d0.RAR1.Atlanta-GA.us.xo.net [65.106.1.25]

13 72 ms 70 ms 69 ms p6-0-0.RAR2.Dallas-TX.us.xo.net [65.106.0.10]
14 72 ms 70 ms 72 ms p0-0-0d0.RAR1.Dallas-TX.us.xo.net [65.106.1.37]

15 106 ms 105 ms 252 ms p6-0-0.rar2.la-ca.us.xo.net [65.106.0.14]
16 109 ms 112 ms 110 ms p0-0-0d0.mar2.lasvegas-nv.us.xo.net [71.5.170.42
]
17 168 ms 111 ms 108 ms 207.88.81.246.ptr.us.xo.net [207.88.81.246]
18 132 ms 114 ms 115 ms ip65-46-24-30.z24-46-65.customer.algx.net [65.46
.24.30]
19 156 ms 118 ms 113 ms www.xtremesystems.org [67.90.82.13]

Trace complete.

For me... I just get bad pings because of how our network is setup. Limited bandwidth, but using some antiquated wireless tech that (thank God) never caught on. Anyways--the main reason that the USA typically has ping times is because our network is lacking. We need more high-bandwidth lines to connect the country. Those lines get freed up or expanded, and our total available bandwidth jumps quickly, and we should have lower pings because stuff can execute quickly.

[Mk]

[T_Flight]

If you're using Staelite hops, be glad you ain't getting 2000ms latency...for real. Remember, it has to go 250-300 miles up into space through the atmosphere (and Ionosphere) and back before it's even routed through the Internet.

This cable cut could very well be a Military Operation, but if it was it will be covert ops. There are always things going on that people will never know about. There are alot of Countries doing some very stupid things right now, and they need a big hammer taken to their head. We provide that free of charge occasionally. There is a major war going on that will last probably our entire lifetimes. That will be ongoing until every single one of these murderers are hunted down and blown up.

It's quite possible a large strike is on the horizon. You never know. That's the beauty of it. They never know. There's no place to hide.

[Starscream]

If you're using Staelite hops, be glad you ain't getting 2000ms latency...for real. Remember, it has to go 250-300 miles up into space through the atmosphere (and Ionosphere) and back before it's even routed through the Internet.

This cable cut could very well be a Military Operation, but if it was it will be covert ops. There are always things going on that people will never know about. There are alot of Countries doing some very stupid things right now, and they need a big hammer taken to their head. We provide that free of charge occasionally. There is a major war going on that will last probably our entire lifetimes. That will be ongoing until every single one of these murderers are hunted down and blown up.

It's quite possible a large strike is on the horizon. You never know. That's the beauty of it. They never know. There's no place to hide.

same paranoid stuff people said last time this happened.

Big chance that its just some idiot thats to lazy to check his maps like last time.

[Shintai]

Ye, that covert ops is abit far out. The cables are pretty close and the time the links go down fits quite ok with a boat pulling an anchor or perhaps a fishing trawler with their nets over the seabed.

[Rammsteiner]

This cable cut could very well be a Military Operation, but if it was it will be covert ops. There are always things going on that people will never know about. There are alot of Countries doing some very stupid things right now, and they need a big hammer taken to their head. We provide that free of charge occasionally.

Sorry, I can only think about two countries, and such a cable cut done via a military organisation would only affect one of those two, which would be quite stupid since it would be the other's ally.

There is a major war going on that will last probably our entire lifetimes. That will be ongoing until every single one of these murderers are hunted down and blown up.

I think you went pretty much a bit too far with this comment, seriously too far

It's quite possible a large strike is on the horizon. You never know. That's the beauty of it. They never know. There's no place to hide.

wut

Wake up, they'd know even before the actual executors know.

I could say a whole lot more, which would get me banned, so Ill just STFU about this matter. But I do think you might want to watch it a bit since you're telling a very biased thing here right now, not even spoken about the complete lack of relevance of it in this thread

[eric66]

that explains my sucky connection i am using arabic proxy damn it lol did they say anything about fixing the problem ?

[Rammsteiner]

did they say anything about fixing the problem ?

Torpedo's

[eric66]

i am sure that will fix it :P

[XSAlliN]

And the posts are even funnier then the topic/problem... Now it reached the conspiracy theory and army superiority discussions. :P Get real, I'm sure both of you are to small to know anything about army intelligence. I admit, at this my knowledge is basically theoretical based on different sources over the internet, but don't claim to know something that only an experience army dude would know, and he couldn't tell cause it's not allowed. So, what really happen,... guess only time will tell, or maybe tell hide saying some sharks did this, but that's just presumption based on movie theories or something like that, obviously not a fact. I know a topic is made to debate it, but some ideas are relay ridiculous, something that a 8 year old child would say after watching to many cartons:

It was a huge octopus that did it...

No, it was the military. didn't you hear the news about the wars...

No, they couldn't cause the opposition would stop it in time, they have spies like James Bond and they know even before the enemy engages in that action...

If there was bet, the anchor theory could make more sense, but will find out soon enough what really happen. Oh yeah, gamers have the biggest problems:

Internet cafes typically full of teenaged gamers are nearly empty with speeds still frustratingly slow.
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"I felt like beating the ... modem, throwing it away, because we compete on the Internet and it feels really bad," said Aman Khurana,

The good thing about this: Maybe some WoW fanatics finally got out to take some air and stretched there legs, they didn't do that for the last 4 years...
The bad thing: They also went to get more Coke and Chips supplies, enough to last for the next 4 years wile they hibernate playing WoW.

[YukonTrooper]

Maybe it was a crab?

Sony just held a press conference concerning the issue. They said that a "giant enemy crab" is to blame. Supposedly our only chance is to "attack its weak point for massive damage!"

It would seem that we are in quite the pickle.

[T_Flight]

so Ill just STFU about this matter

That's a good idea. Trust me, you don't wanna go there.

[NeverMore]

So the internet IS a series of tubes eh?

Funny how that works.

[eric66]

this thread reminded me south park episode about internet

[Xoulz]

this thread reminded me south park episode about internet

awsome ^^ ..!

[Tallest]

why not space the cables farther apart so only a couple countries lose internet. oh i know lets make all these million dollar cables and only put them underwater right next to each other.

[Shintai]

why not space the cables farther apart so only a couple countries lose internet. oh i know lets make all these million dollar cables and only put them underwater right next to each other.

They where. Some was about 30minutes of sailing. There is also a limitation on how much you can. Both due to ships and due to geographic.