AMD Shanghai/Deneb Review Thread

[charged3800z24]

Some dude over on [H] forums just had a stray bird drop him off a PhII 945 AM3. Says a mobo is also inbound and can maybe post something...

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread....post1033477935

he added pics on the first page just a min. ago. looks right to me.....what do you guys think?

[Caveman787]

Scared of what the nb volts are and nb and mosfet temps assuming their not water cooled of course.

Heard of some horror stories of them blowing out at high volts etc. Wish they had a nice msi style tons 0' heatpipe cooling solution for nb/mosfet/southbridge like on the msi p45. Even overclocked that performed well at keeping temps good.

[flippin_waffles]

Hmm, clearly that can't be retail then if it was made in June '08 can it? But aren't ES samples blank with no writing? Seems a bit strange, but what do I know!

[Karolis]

he added pics on the first page just a min. ago. looks right to me.....what do you guys think?

The Phenom in the picture has less pins than the Athlon (I count 2) so for me it looks right too (AM3 has 938 pins while AM2(+) has 940).

[jaredpace]

yah i see 938 pins, but why doesn't it say "Phenom II" on the IHS?

[Karolis]

yah i see 938 pins, but why doesn't it say "Phenom II" on the IHS?

Maybe this chip was made before they came up with the name? Just a lame guess...

[flippin_waffles]

Yeah, maybe it is true. Jonspd said this on Ocforums:

just bought a PII 945 BE es



xmas came early to bad waiting on bank transfer and it's coming from out of the US..

http://www.ocforums.com/showpost.php...&postcount=210

[roofsniper]

Maybe this chip was made before they came up with the name? Just a lame guess...

yea thats what i am guessing. it is most likely an old chip probably an earlier revision unlike the C3 revision which the 945 will launch as. it seems kinda legit but still this is kinda odd that this chip would come out of no where and they are expected for a long time.

[ajaidev]

See this :-

http://www.hwbot.org/quickSearch.do?hardwareId=CPU_1764

http://www.hwbot.org/quickSearch.do?hardwareId=CPU_1766

[knopflerbruce]

Alot of AMD's newer ES's seem to use some weird kind of production code. By looking at the PN I can see it's a 1-way desktop CPU, which sounds very reasonable since it has pins. It's also a 3GHZ piece, which is promising - and what we'd expect. The only thing that looks a bit unusual to me is the last 3 numbers, but that's a different story...

To sum it up: that CPU IS an AM3 Phenom II!

[informal]

To sum it up: that CPU IS an AM3 Phenom II!

Yep,it appears so

EDIT:

Oh man,i've just seen this :
http://www.ocxtreme.org/forumenus/sh...?t=4302&page=2

coolice posted his 5.5Ghz score,canard validation link :
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=466730


This is just 9% shy of those 6Ghz scores we saw at the demo.Considering this is one of the first OCing attempts it's very impressive!

[SoF]

Here is my 5.6 http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=466799

[informal]

Hah you beat coolice by 100Mhz,nice job .

[TL1000S]

looks nice! glad you posted that again because i saw the thread w/ just his stock scores but none of the oc's... can someone ask him about temps? i registered but cant post yet.

I am a little disappointed.
Check the CPU score (and overall) in 3DM06.

I just checked my stored benches at the ORB, and did a quick run with my Q9450@3.6 (Abit iX38 QGT) paired with HD3850x2.
Link here

I had hoped a Phenom II @ 4Ghz + HD4870 easily should beat that.

[Ghostbuster]

Here's a great source for comparison
http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles...521&cid=2&pg=8
http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles...521&cid=2&pg=9

CPU bound benchmarks on stock clocks...

CineBench 10 32-bit
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9450 ... 11165
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9450 ... 10506
Phenom II X4 ................. 9754

3Mark06 CPU score
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9450 .... 4783
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9450 .... 4483
Phenom II X4 ................... 4483

Aquamark3 CPU score
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9450 .... 19129
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9450 .... 18117
Phenom II X4 ................... 15745

Those Expreview leaked AMD slides are for real after all.

[Raiderman]

??? not one of those links gives a comparison.. They are all Intel??

[Macadamia]

A great source with DDR2-800 vs DDR3-1333. Ehh.

[PetNorth]

6120.44 MHz by dread77 http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=466047
6020.16 MHz by Oktabit Team http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=465848
5985.16 MHz by JtChen2002 http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=464705

Congrats

But the race isn't over... it's just beginning

[Raiderman]

A great source with DDR2-800 vs DDR3-1333. Ehh.

The OCW review has PII @ over 12k 3dmark 06

Edit: sorry was looking at overall

[Oliverda]

Here's a great source for comparison
http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles...521&cid=2&pg=8
http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles...521&cid=2&pg=9

CPU bound benchmarks on stock clocks...

CineBench 10 32-bit
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9450 ... 11165
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9450 ... 10506
Phenom II X4 ................. 9754

3Mark06 CPU score
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9450 .... 4783
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9450 .... 4483
Phenom II X4 ................... 4483

Aquamark3 CPU score
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9450 .... 19129
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9450 .... 18117
Phenom II X4 ................... 15745

Those Expreview leaked AMD slides are for real after all.

I get around 9500 in Cinebench with my 9950@3GHz.

Check this:



vs.



source

[informal]

^^ What Macadamia said.

BTW check justapost's results at the same clocks/settings and in the same apps here:
http://www.ocxtreme.org/forumenus/sh...&postcount=131 (thanks justapost )

Some very noticeable improvements per clock,north of 12%,except in wprime(dunno what's up with that).Phenom II works on that board although it's not properly supported yet.Note the 1.8Ghz L3 clocks.
Also notice the huge jump in Aquamark CPU score when going from Phenom I to Phenom II (both at exactly the same settings/clocks-3Ghz/1.8Ghz same memory timings):
Phenom I : 11093
Phenom II: 15745.
That's 41% better score per clock .Seems like a very cache sensitive CPU test.

I would rather focus on Phenom I vs Phenom II results,until the official launch and reviews are out . Then we can compare it to Q series and i7 since all will be polished and ready .

[noki]

Yes but OCW test was with a Radeon HD4850...

[roofsniper]

Keep AMD vs Intel discussions or "AMD can't beat Intel" out of this thread.

Please stay on topic.

i would really like to avoid having anything else happen.

[Zucker2k]

I get around 9500 in Cinebench with my 9950@3GHz.

Well, you're running 64bit Cinebench. Check.

[informal]

@Ghostbuster

I just checked some Q9xxx 3dmark06 CPU scores at the ORB.It looks like Phenom II and Q9x50 are pretty much even at the same clocks in this test
PhII 4Ghz : 5846
Q9550 @4Ghz : 5766 (Phenom wins by a small margin-80pts which is within margin of error-so they are the same per clock)
Q9650 @ 4.05Ghz : 6033 (Q9650 per clock wins by 1.1%,within margin of error).

I say again all these Phenom II previews are just that-previews.We should wait for final reviews with proper bios versions and final platform to make up our mind where it sits exactly vs Q9xxx series.By the looks of the latest info it's quite competitive ,both per clock and in OCing abilities.