AMD Shanghai/Deneb Review Thread

[informal]

920 @3.8Ghz

Great find AbelJemka

@Caveman787

Rated FSB has almost zero influence on performance with K10.Maybe in some extreme case of triple SLI or CF,but even then i think it wouldn't be a bottleneck.What's important is the northbridge/L3 clock speed since it can be higher than HyperTransoprt(and not vice versa).If Deneb can work stable with @2.5-2.6Ghz NB clocks and 4Ghz for core clocks,it will be one tough nugget to crack .

[Caveman787]

Well thanks for informing me off that informal

Didn't notice that till I typed it.

Also I was under the impression that high hypertranport link combined with high nb speed helped increase performance a big deal.

Why the need for 2000 ht if it's not so important then?

[Jazzman]

Rated FSB has almost zero influence on performance with K10.Maybe in some extreme case of triple SLI or CF,but even then i think it wouldn't be a bottleneck.What's important is the northbridge/L3 clock speed since it can be higher than HyperTransoprt(and not vice versa).If Deneb can work stable with @2.5-2.6Ghz NB clocks and 4Ghz for core clocks,it will be one tough nugget to crack .

I am embarrased to say I did not know this! Thanks informal !!

[Oldguy932]

If we can get around 2.6ghz nb on air I'm going to go out on a limb and say we should be able to get 3ghz with cold, but the cpu clocks will be very modest if we hit that fast. Ht link does need to be dropped at higher htt frequencies, but I've never noticed any gain beyond dropping to 6x with current phenoms. The 9850 I put under cold did 275 htt with a 10x multi on everything, but the cpu clocked better but wouldn't do nearly that much htt on air.

[Ghostbuster]

Look what THG brought in We Overclock Phenom II to 4.9GHz plus result (SuperPi)

[Daveburt714]

Cod... I hate SuperPi as a benchmark in the Intel vs Amd wars!

I remember all the P4 guys bragging over SPi results against my 3800 X2 back in the day, even though that was one of the few benches they could actually win....

That being said, it's nice to see the PhII break the 1M run at under 18 seconds (and to see some real numbers)!

If you'll notice there are a few problems with that SS:

1) Actual clock is only 4.02 Ghz
2) Voltage is Rediculously high for what we've seen from 4Ghz PhII's
3) Memory is set at 800 NOT 1066
4) IMC/NB is running @ 1800Mhz

I'm sure all the Intel fanboys will see this SPi score as a weakness of the PhII, while I see it as very positive. In the right hands, on AIR, I could see this score being sub 16s... We'll see where real world stuff goes from there!

[Jerry Rob]

Cod... I hate SuperPi as a benchmark in the Intel vs Amd wars!

Intel has advantage in SuperPi regarding architectural differencies.
Bigger problem is that Super Pi is single threaded app, it shows almoust nothing about perormance of multicore CPU.

sapienti sat

[AbelJemka]

Look what THG brought in We Overclock Phenom II to 4.9GHz plus result (SuperPi)

|quote]To verify that the processor was stable at 4.9 GHz, we conducted some tests and it completed a SuperPi 1M run in 17,769 sec.[/quote]
Screenshot is 4GHz...
Moreover 17.769s 4G Phenom II
Best Phenom I score 19.92s at 3.9GHz with one core overclocked and memory at 558MHz cas 4...
http://www.hwbot.org/quickSearch.do?hardwareId=CPU_1665

[Throwed]

Look what THG brought in We Overclock Phenom II to 4.9GHz plus result (SuperPi)

Wow, talk about not RESPECTING NDA!!! I thought the lift wasn't until Friday. I hope AMD takes them off their Elite list and never send then products to review again. Hardcore folks don't visit Toms anyway.

[Face]

AMD Phenom II X4 940 (3GHz) outperforms Intel QX9770 (3.2GHz) in 3Dmark Vantage; lost 9% to core i7

In 3Dmark Vantage, the Phenom II X4 940 (Deneb) running on ASRock AOD790GX/128M with 2GB DDR2-1066 scored P7240. On a core i7 system, the same HD 4850 scored P7766 while on a Intel P45 board ASRock P45XE-WiFiN with QX9770, it scored 7112. Looks like the Phenom II X4 940 (3GHz) is able to outperform the QX9770 in this test whereas Intel Core i7 still outperform the Phenom II X4 3GHz by over 9%.

http://my.ocworkbench.com/bbs/showth...597#post441597

[G0ldBr1ck]

FAKE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the sample Deneb C0 was +10% to Agena in Crysis and +8% in Quake wars in clock to clock, with bios and RAM lower.
The ultimate platform must be highter and is not possible that it's better to2-3%, IT's FAKE !


QX9770 vs Deneb 940 better ?
FAKE is not possible.

damn your obnoxious we will know the truth real soon. that wont be the last we hear of that comparison

[Aquineas]

FAKE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the sample Deneb C0 was +10% to Agena in Crysis and +8% in Quake wars in clock to clock, with bios and RAM lower.
The ultimate platform must be highter and is not possible that it's better to2-3%, IT's FAKE !


QX9770 vs Deneb 940 better ?
FAKE is not possible.

Yanno, I normally have patience for people who are trying to learn or speak another language. I remember the awakening I got when getting off an airplane in Prague and seeing words in Cyrillic and thinking, "We're not in Kansas anymore." But your post didn't make a bit of sense to me, and your propensity towards "shouting" those non-sensical posts is somewhat irritating.

[SoF]

Wow, talk about not RESPECTING NDA!!! I thought the lift wasn't until Friday. I hope AMD takes them off their Elite list and never send then products to review again. Hardcore folks don't visit Toms anyway.

QFT! that sucks really - I want to show my screen so that everybody can see that they are nubs...I can do half a second better at same speed
additionally - they use LN2 and 1.7V for that?????? jeez' 1.55V and air is all you need for that

hahaha I do it all on air

exactly!!! (this is an old comment of our greek friend I will never forget... )

[Throwed]

QFT! that sucks really - I want to show my screen so that everybody can see that they are nubs...I can do half a second better at same speed
additionally - they use LN2 and 1.7V for that?????? jeez' 1.55V and air is all you need for that

Well, in three days you can show everyone here at XS how much of a joke Tomshardware is. Hell, many already know this though. Glad to see you respecting the NDA. I am sure it has been difficult with so much attention the Denebs are drawing.



For all the obvious Intel folk trying to defend Intel in a AMD thread/section........
RELAX!!!! Forget the speculation!! Friday, there should be a slew of trusted reviews out.

[Motiv]

QFT! that sucks really - I want to show my screen so that everybody can see that they are nubs...I can do half a second better at same speed
additionally - they use LN2 and 1.7V for that?????? jeez' 1.55V and air is all you need for that

exactly!!! (this is an old comment of our greek friend I will never forget... )

Firday?

[Blaber]

THG
the best S H I T site all over the world, his dipendents can't OC , and it's PRO intel
IMBESIL !!!!

+1 and also add ANANDTECH TO THE LIST PLEASE, they all suck INTEL'S BALLS