GeForce GTX295 Card Exposed

[Stukov]

not really, if you look the reviews comparing a 216 and 280, the 216 OCed wins by a quite significant margin on most of the games take a look here

I still never understand comparing an OC lower tier to stock higher tier, both should be OC.

[dinos22]

not really, if you look the reviews comparing a 216 and 280, the 216 OCed wins by a quite significant margin on most of the games take a look here

since when is an overclocked and stock card comparison valid

clock for clock it cannot beat a 280

[jasonelmore]

since when is an overclocked and stock card comparison valid

clock for clock it cannot beat a 280

Could'nt have said it better.

[Blacky]

what I meant was 216 looks better for price/perf ratio just get one an OC and you got yourself 280... I know comparing stock clocks vs OC clock is not valid but OCing these cards can get you a nice boost, also the GTX 295 has 240 SPs too unlike 216.

[|\|EW|3]

you know whats funny. A few months back i had been asking people if they thought the 200 series would be making a GX2 version any time soon. Every single one of them said no. NOW LOOK AT THEM!!!

[jasonelmore]

what I meant was 216 looks better for price/perf ratio just get one an OC and you got yourself 280... I know comparing stock clocks vs OC clock is not valid but OCing these cards can get you a nice boost, also the GTX 295 has 240 SPs too unlike 216.

Single GTX 280's are down to $325 now. Overclock a 280 to 700mhz and it will kill a 260 Core 216 OC or not.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...709&CatId=3669

[AbelJemka]

Single GTX 280's are down to $325 now. Overclock a 280 to 700mhz and it will kill a 260 Core 216 OC or not.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...709&CatId=3669

Why don't you push yours farther?

[jasonelmore]

Why don't you push yours farther?

Me?? Because i dont have water cooling on the Graphics card haha. i'm at 702 right now. 702/1511/1265.. I thought that was a pretty nice overclock for a vanilla card. I probably could go further but when i play a game, it's usually for 4 or 5 hours straight and going past those speeds tend to crash the games after a hour or so. On benchmark runs i'll jack everything up a little more but that's just for a short period.

[mikeyakame]

watercooling is overrated! just depends on luck of the draw, some 280s run better than others.

with the standard cooler i run mine at 670/1458/2600 flashed in bios unless the game needs it then i push it up to 700/1512/2700, and for benching it runs at 730/1566/2700 or 740/1512/2700 depending on the temp of the day. Being summer over here in aussie land (though sydney is winter some days right now) can't always push as hard on air unless the temp is right,

edit: yeah for gaming no point going too high just makes it unstable when playing for long periods. I haven't found a game where the extra clocks make the instability worthwhile anyhow.

[jt1]

Why don't you push yours farther?

GTX280 at 700MHz not good enough for ya? How fast is your card?

[AbelJemka]

I never say that. Just see his sig 675MHz and he speaks about 700MHz so i ask his speed

[LordEC911]

you know whats funny. A few months back i had been asking people if they thought the 200 series would be making a GX2 version any time soon. Every single one of them said no. NOW LOOK AT THEM!!!

And we were correct...

[kerneld]

Hey guys,

Long time reader, first time poster. Sorry to jump on the bandwagon so late in the thread, but seeing as though there are some here with inside information, and many others whose experience might translate into valuable insight, I'd like to put the following to your consideration:

The soon-to-be-released GTX265 and 285.. They're 55nm versions of the 260 and 280, right? So we're mainly talking about a "simple" die-shrink, not a major upgrade to the underlying design.. Right? A lower TDP, lower voltages needed to achieve the same clock frequencies might well mean that the 55nm versions can be OCd/pushed further than current ones (they might even be released with higher clocks across the board), but ultimately, the performance gains probably won't be anything to write home about. Especially if nVidia doesn't stick an attractive/competitive price tag on them. Sounds about right so far?

My problem is this: back when the GTXs came out, I was about to build a new system.. Sprung €200 for slim profile, full cover, single slot waterblocks (2) intending to wc 2 gtx280s (or 260s). Some unforeseen events killed my budget so now I'm sitting on two brand new blocks that I can't shift. They most certainly won't fit the new 55nms from the pics I've seen so far, so my question is: when the new versions come out, should I eat my losses, buy new blocks and the new cards, or wait til the new cards come out and use the price drop on the 65nm to save some money?

One last thing: are factory-OCd cards worth the extra dough? Even assuming they're higher binned versions, can't those same clocks be reached on vanilla cards safely and with stability for extended gaming sessions?

Thanks for your input

[postumus]

i would buy the old cards once they fall in price. i don't see the die shrink changing things up all that much, the 9800gtx 65nm/55nm may or may not be an indication of this. Blocks are pricey, i wouldn't waste what u got invested already.

[Luka_Aveiro]

Hey guys,

Long time reader, first time poster. Sorry to jump on the bandwagon so late in the thread, but seeing as though there are some here with inside information, and many others whose experience might translate into valuable insight, I'd like to put the following to your consideration:

The soon-to-be-released GTX265 and 285.. They're 55nm versions of the 260 and 280, right? So we're mainly talking about a "simple" die-shrink, not a major upgrade to the underlying design.. Right? A lower TDP, lower voltages needed to achieve the same clock frequencies might well mean that the 55nm versions can be OCd/pushed further than current ones (they might even be released with higher clocks across the board), but ultimately, the performance gains probably won't be anything to write home about. Especially if nVidia doesn't stick an attractive/competitive price tag on them. Sounds about right so far?

My problem is this: back when the GTXs came out, I was about to build a new system.. Sprung €200 for slim profile, full cover, single slot waterblocks (2) intending to wc 2 gtx280s (or 260s). Some unforeseen events killed my budget so now I'm sitting on two brand new blocks that I can't shift. They most certainly won't fit the new 55nms from the pics I've seen so far, so my question is: when the new versions come out, should I eat my losses, buy new blocks and the new cards, or wait til the new cards come out and use the price drop on the 65nm to save some money?

One last thing: are factory-OCd cards worth the extra dough? Even assuming they're higher binned versions, can't those same clocks be reached on vanilla cards safely and with stability for extended gaming sessions?

Thanks for your input

Acho que consegues usar os blocos para as GT200 65nm nas novas 55nm... A furação parece ser idêntica, apesar do GPU ser mais pequeno. As novas têm um IHS (Integrated Heat Spreader) na mesma, portanto a furação deve ser igual. Espera que isso se confirme e assim não precisas de comprar nem novos blocos nem placas "velhas".

Sorry for posting in Portuguese guys

^^

[kerneld]

Um tuga por aqui!!! (sim, eu sei que há vários, mas ainda assim)

(back in english)

I wish I was so optimistic.. But looking at the pics for 65nm 260s and the previews for 55nm 260s, then comparing both with my blocks, I spot a number of differences, check it out:



Yeah, the gpu and the (controller?) are both in the same place, and most holes do align nicely, but there's at least one that doesn't, and then all mem chips as well as a bunch of condensers and whatnots are all over the place compared to 65nm layout.. For full-cover waterblocks, specifically tailored to a certain design, it's too much of a change. Don't expect the 280/285 to be any different either.

[Houdini]

How fast is a single 260gtx compared to 4870? Will this be the new flagship?

[jasonelmore]

depends on which version of the 260 your talking about. They are very close nonetheless

[[XC] Synthetickiller]

Nvidia needs to release some info now.

[jasonelmore]

I think we'll see some stuff by late monday or early tuesday. Drivers will be out monday for the 295. Allow a full day for benching and testing. I'm patiently awaiting.

[[XC] Synthetickiller]

I'm considering stepping up my gtx260 to a gtx295 b/c the 265 won't be worth the step-up. I've never done SLI, but I have a 1000 watt psu sitting around that needs to be used and it'll give me an excuse to rebuild my entire rig since I can't afford an i7 now and don't need more than my q6600.

[jasonelmore]

I'm considering stepping up my gtx260 to a gtx295 b/c the 265 won't be worth the step-up. I've never done SLI, but I have a 1000 watt psu sitting around that needs to be used and it'll give me an excuse to rebuild my entire rig since I can't afford an i7 now and don't need more than my q6600.

You know, I bet EVGA and BFG won't even list the refresh 55nm version as a eligible card on the step up program. Looking at what they have listed now, you can't even step up from a Vanilla GTX 280 to a Water Cooled GTX 280.

Who knows tho. It would'nt suprise me if they did everyone like that.

[[XC] Synthetickiller]

You know, I bet EVGA and BFG won't even list the refresh 55nm version as a eligible card on the step up program. Looking at what they have listed now, you can't even step up from a Vanilla GTX 280 to a Water Cooled GTX 280.

Who knows tho. It would'nt suprise me if they did everyone like that.

Yeah. I have the core 216, so I'm hoping they will. If they don't, it's still a good card.

[Mk]

You know, I bet EVGA and BFG won't even list the refresh 55nm version as a eligible card on the step up program. Looking at what they have listed now, you can't even step up from a Vanilla GTX 280 to a Water Cooled GTX 280.

Who knows tho. It would'nt suprise me if they did everyone like that.

Yeah. I have the core 216, so I'm hoping they will. If they don't, it's still a good card.

They will
http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.asp?m=637898

[Carfax]

They damn well better have those 55nm cards out by the end of the month!