Intel Core i5 Performance

[savantu]

LGA1156, LGA1160.. What a cluster, can't they decide?

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?op...10915&Itemid=1
http://smartmanufacturing.net/Gen3VRTestToolParts.html

Apparently Intel Design and Development tools use the 'LGA1160' socket, now I'm not going to count those pins but still. Is this some outdated site, is Fuad stumbling again?

Who cares? The socket is 1160 pins.If they only use 1156 or 666 who gives a f**k ? It's not like it matters for you.
If anything it will allow future revisions on power and data delivery to be activated without changing the socket.

[Macadamia]

That's made by the mobo manufacturers , not Intel.

Shintai was not claiming that.

First of all far from all Lynnfield CPUs support it.

[Mumak]

Who cares? The socket is 1160 pins.If they only use 1156 or 666 who gives a f**k ? It's not like it matters for you.
If anything it will allow future revisions on power and data delivery to be activated without changing the socket.

Hah, that's the point. The new socket is 1156 and there have been other pins changed as well, so it's not compatible with 1160.

[Tonucci]

First of all far from all Lynnfield CPUs support it. Secondly. Alot of mobo makers wont do 8/8 but just 16. And trichannel still wins alittle bit over dualchannel.

1366 is the choice for multi GPU. Just like people before bought 975x, X38, X48.

agree...it may be suitable for multi gpu too, but its aimed at the mainstream market indeed. Like p35/p45 vs x38/x48.

[Drwho?]

agree...it may be suitable for multi gpu too, but its aimed at the mainstream market indeed. Like p35/p45 vs x38/x48.

Base on every data I saw, if you want SLI or Xfire, you got to be crazy not to get a Core i7 ...

[Donnie27]

Base on every data I saw, if you want SLI or Xfire, you got to be crazy not to get a Core i7 ...

First off Dr. Enthusiast doesn't mean folks with more money than Brains. Some of us aren't rich and the economy affects many of us here as well. Most Geeks aren't 14 to 18 still living at home with Mom and Dad with unlimited budgets.

What if I want a Power System with the fastest processor in the world and I DON'T game. Current X58 are fine for power Gamers but not many others who don't make Games their number one priority.

[Shintai]

First off Dr. Enthusiast doesn't mean folks with more money than Brains. Some of us aren't rich and the economy affects many of us here as well. Most Geeks aren't 14 to 18 still living at home with Mom and Dad with unlimited budgets.

What if I want a Power System with the fastest processor in the world and I DON'T game. Current X58 are fine for power Gamers but not many others who don't make Games their number one priority.

And your wish will come to summer then. Patience is a virtue.

[hollo]

Base on every data I saw, if you want SLI or Xfire, you got to be crazy not to get a Core i7 ...

but how about i5's GPU to CPU latency
wtb: i7 with on-die PCI-e controller

[Nedjo]

Base on every data I saw, if you want SLI or Xfire, you got to be crazy not to get a Core i7 ...

so you're saying that i5 @ say 2.6 GHz can't serve in a same fashion two, lets say, HD 4850 as i7 can at the same frequency?! How on Earth that can be possible when all that we know so far about i5 is saying that basically it's the same CPU as i7 but w/o QPI and with PEG ctrl. inside?

[Shintai]

so you're saying that i5 @ say 2.6 GHz can't serve in a same fashion two, lets say, HD 4850 as i7 can at the same frequency?! How on Earth that can be possible when all that we know so far about i5 is saying that basically it's the same CPU as i7 but w/o QPI and with PEG ctrl. inside?

Maybe due to the avalible bandwidth for the GPU(s) to both memory and CPU.

[Tonucci]

Base on every data I saw, if you want SLI or Xfire, you got to be crazy not to get a Core i7 ...

yep, even with today cards....imagine with 3 or 4x of next gen cards

[doompc]

I don't buy it!
8x/8x Crossfire works just fine until you get to extreme resolution like 2560x1600.
"Non benching" people will enjoy i5 regardless of the "huge benefits" to get a i7 for multi gpu.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=202249
My only fear is that in order to get SLI support mobo makers will have to use the nForce200, since there will be so much diferent boards that NVIDIA won't do the SLI licensing like on X58 boards...

Still, I think the secound non 8x/8x capable Lynnfield is the Havendale, wich will be Dual Core only with MCM northbridge (with integrated graphics).

[Tonucci]

I don't buy it!
8x/8x Crossfire works just fine until you get to extreme resolution like 2560x1600.
"Non benching" people will enjoy i5 regardless of the "huge benefits" to get a i7 for multi gpu.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=202249
My only fear is that in order to get SLI support mobo makers will have to use the nForce200, since there will be so much diferent boards that NVIDIA won't do the SLI licensing like on X58 boards...

Still, I think the secound non 8x/8x capable Lynnfield is the Havendale, wich will be Dual Core only with MCM northbridge (with integrated graphics).

Someone who has the cash to get multiple video cards is assumed to be able to afford the price difference and get an i7.

If thats not your case, the product is not aimed at you.

Its for enthusiasts who pay hundreds of dollars for ~15% performance increases. There is enough demand for these products...low volume compared to mainstream platforms but its their flagship

[JumpingJack]

LGA1156, LGA1160.. What a cluster, can't they decide?

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?op...10915&Itemid=1
http://smartmanufacturing.net/Gen3VRTestToolParts.html

Apparently Intel Design and Development tools use the 'LGA1160' socket, now I'm not going to count those pins but still. Is this some outdated site, is Fuad stumbling again?

I vote for Fuad stumbling again, he does it daily.

[Donnie27]

And your wish will come to summer then. Patience is a virtue.

Actually, depending on my next car purchase (left over funds), I'm not waiting until late summer or early fall. I do fully understand what you're saying here. I waited for Nehalem and Deneb so far, i5 can wait until late 2009 or early 2010. Unless it really sucks, I'm getting a Phenom II LOL! In fact, the order I'd place them in for my next upgrade is;
Phenom II
Q9550
i5
i7

Until 35 days ago, i7 was at the top and nothing else was really considered.

[taurus_sel]

Base on every data I saw, if you want SLI or Xfire, you got to be crazy not to get a Core i7 ...

Have you seen Phenom II performance numbers with SLI/CF?

Based on what AMD is showing, you'd be crazy spending a whole crap load of money for a small bump in frame rate (if any) that you'd get with a core i7.

[Chad Boga]

Have you seen Phenom II performance numbers with SLI/CF?

Based on what AMD is showing, you'd be crazy spending a whole crap load of money for a small bump in frame rate (if any) that you'd get with a core i7.

You either haven't understood the data you have seen or didn't understand Dr.Who's statement.

[Clairvoyant129]

Have you seen Phenom II performance numbers with SLI/CF?

Based on what AMD is showing, you'd be crazy spending a whole crap load of money for a small bump in frame rate (if any) that you'd get with a core i7.

There is a huge advantage when using SLI and CF with Core i7.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/core-i...ance-review/19

a small bump huh? While Phenom II will get a good boost over Phenom, it will still be lagging behind Core 2 Quads.

If you want the best, you need to spend the money for it. This is Xtremesystems, not Lamesystems or Bangforbucksystems.

[Donnie27]

Have you seen Phenom II performance numbers with SLI/CF?

Based on what AMD is showing, you'd be crazy spending a whole crap load of money for a small bump in frame rate (if any) that you'd get with a core i7.

What if I want i7 for something other than games? What if I want a real Power User system, with triple channel, two 1.5TB HDDs (they didn't follow motherboard trends) and maybe a Raptors or that reasonable compared to the motherboard. X-Fi, Multi-Camera Security Card, Analog Capture Card? I don't want Crossfire or SLI and if I did, the Green has aren't that much slower. Hehehe, I already got 6GB of RAM.

Let me put this a Different way. I want a power USER board, not a Power Gamer Board or even a cheap board. WTF is on this board to make the cheapest one $244?

Thank goodness the rest of the market hasn't followed motherboard trends. I'm NOT bad mouthing the Processor here. I'm saying the board is overpriced for you folks will be getting. Namely, last years tech for cutting edge prices.

[Macadamia]

Let me put this a Different way. I want a power USER board, not a Power Gamer Board or even a cheap board. WTF is on this board to make the cheapest one $244?

To think of it I'd buy one @ $200 if it had scantily clad women on it (has to be life-sized)

But I agree. Isn't X58 SUPPOSED to be cheaper, granted that the chipset itself is massively cheaper and requires less cooling? "More PCB Layers" is not an excuse- the extra layers are probably cheap, definitely less than 10USD for the additions.

This is what market segmentation brings you, I guess. S754 and S939 also had this problem to an extent, so it's not just Intel.

[duploxxx]

There is a huge advantage when using SLI and CF with Core i7.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/core-i...ance-review/19

a small bump huh? While Phenom II will get a good boost over Phenom, it will still be lagging behind Core 2 Quads.

If you want the best, you need to spend the money for it. This is Xtremesystems, not Lamesystems or Bangforbucksystems.

who says 3way sli is also not scaling much better on phenom2?

[Drwho?]

Have you seen Phenom II performance numbers with SLI/CF?

Based on what AMD is showing, you'd be crazy spending a whole crap load of money for a small bump in frame rate (if any) that you'd get with a core i7.

Dreamland is a sweet place , I saw ... I smiled.

[Clairvoyant129]

who says 3way sli is also not scaling much better on phenom2?

It won't. I'm sure under SLI/CF Phenom II will lag behind current Core 2 Quads and will scale similarly with current Phenoms.

Let's be realistic, Phenom II, while an improvement is the same as Kentsfield -> Yorkfield, die shrink with cache increase and some core optimizations. Core i7 on the other hand is a monster.

What are you expecting? A miracle?

Not to mention, most people who will be spending tons of money for high end SLI and CF systems will not be going for the "bang for buck" systems. They will want exploit every bit of performance out of their SLI/CF systems.

[duploxxx]

Base on every data I saw, if you want SLI or Xfire, you got to be crazy not to get a Core i7 ...

better change that to 3-way sli....

Dreamland is a sweet place , I saw ... I smiled.

your post quality is going down

It won't. I'm sure under SLI/CF Phenom II will lag behind current Core 2 Quads and will scale similarly with current Phenoms.

Let's be realistic, Phenom II, while an improvement is the same as Kentsfield -> Yorkfield, die shrink with cache increase and some core optimizations. Core i7 on the other hand is a monster.

What are you expecting? A miracle?

Not to mention, most people who will be spending tons of money for high end SLI and CF systems will not be going for the "bang for buck" systems. They will want exploit every bit of performance out of their SLI/CF systems.

the performance was always havy cpu limited, this has changed a lot know with phenom2 also 890 chipset adds some additional to the cf part.

check i7 and k10 bus architecture except for a bit faster bus the difference is not that big.....

[Drwho?]

your post quality is going down

So, here is some detail:

On games, the Phenom II will do better than phenom just because the L3 cache is large enough, it is not going to be any better than a Conroe with 4Mb cache, at same frequency. Of course, you can find corner case, but those are rare.
It looks like the 2nd Load port of the phenom I or II is not helping it, due the the fact that its decoding bandwidth is becoming a problem on 64bits. (the extra byte increase by 25% the bandwitdh required). The lack of wilder decoder engine does not feed properly their back end of the processor. The next step for AMD is to copy hyperthreading, if they don't do so, they will never come back to competitive position, and if they do so, they will have to pay attention to be power efficent when doing it. Doubling the number of decoders would be a power catastrophy.

The next Core mainstream will have no problem there

This is my personal opinion, my employer is not responsible for this posting.

enough quality for you? If you ask details, you get them, don't complain about it. (We are in a Core thread, i did notice )