shanghai's L3 is 2200mhzOriginally Posted by G0ldBr1ck
shanghai's L3 is 2200mhz
I would have expected 2400 on deneb
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So what happened to 5% performance advantage is a no biggie?ahh but I dont want my p5k-deluxe withty pci-e. I want an upgrade to PCI-e so I can xfire If I desire with full speed. So I am going to have to get a mobo. As to whether q9550 will outperform a P2 thats pure speculation at this point no one really has that info yet. and, Please don't quote some review of server procs with limited tests because till we get them and test them we will not know anyting for sure.
Anyway, there are cheap intel boards too.
welcome back from the rock you just crawled from; PII is NOT a competitor to Nehalem. Repeat; PII is NOT a competitor to Nehalem. What does this mean? It means if one owns a decent Intel board, they could upgrade to any number of E8xxx series or C2Q Q9xxx series processors. I mean, it's not science; if PII proves to annihilate everything in its path then you'll see people like me jumping ship, but so far, the part can't even beat a similarly clocked penryn. And penryns are drop-in chips for most Intel-platform-would-be upgraders. Sigh. I really needed that. Stop talking about $1K upgrades it just shows you haven't really been following what's going on.
You got it. Phenom II will hit Intel harder than anyone can imagine. It's perf/watt/$$ will be better than anything Intel has to offer today. With today's economy, how many people will be springing for $1K upgrades when they can buy a $250 proc to replace the one they have or buy a whole new platform for half the price?
With the money saved, you could buy an air conditioner to cool your room and not your cpu.
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i agree as well
the ONLY thing i am not sure about is how well retail chips will OC on LN2 and if AMD has a massive lead on LN2 (say 1GHz) will that be enough to compete on multithreaded benchmarks still
guess we'll find out in January the full story
4 weeks and we know it.
The thing is even if PIIs can overclock to 6Ghz or even 6.2ghz benchable, under ln2, they'd still be beaten by Intel parts. If we can see 7Ghz benchablePIIs, then things will get exciting. The reason why the dust has already settled is that we have a good idea what the PIIs are capable of at stock; it is not too good a picture, considering that a lower clocked Q9550 fares very well against them. That's ALL we need to know; stock numbers. It's the reason why they're priced below the Q9550. Ln2 is for the pros; and how many are there? So it'll appear to me that the performance line has already been drawn.
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Since you know so much please be kind enough and provide us all with the review of the retail Phenom II system.If you can't,on what exactly are you basing your post?A few leaked slides,from unknown sources?How come "all of a sudden" slideware has become reliable sourceThe thing is even if PIIs can overclock to 6Ghz or even 6.2ghz benchable, under ln2, they'd still be beaten by Intel parts. If we can see 7Ghz benchable
I don't need reviews, what I've seen is enough for me. I'm definitely not holding my breath.Since you know so much please be kind enough and provide us all with the review of the retail Phenom II system.If you can't,on what exactly are you basing your post?
So you don't have hard numbers and you admit your post was based on what exactly?
I don't say i know how it will perform,i just want you to show me on what exactly you base your opinion??Apart from wishful thinking maybe.
It is far from clear it will be a better buy than Penryn.
or buy a whole new platform for half the price?
Was it AMD who released the slides comparing the 3.0Ghz PhII to the Q9300 and Q9400?
If it was, then we know that is the absolute best case possible for AMD, with the reality likely to be somewhat less.
AMD didn't release anything.There are some "leaked" slides.But without proper(that's an odd word) review(spi and the likes excluded,real apps included),we still don't know how it will fare in gaming and multimedia apps,the two things 90% of desktop users do on their PC.We know how it OCs(quite good),we know it's pretty cool even OCed,we can guess what power draw will it have.Everything else is not certain.
Your hypocrisy is amazing; maybe your eyes are good for only those charts that show good numbers for PII. Look, it's inevitable. I know you've seen some of the leaked shots too. By the way, don't you think the lack of benchmarksfrom AMD themselves is an indicator? What about the price of the product? Dude, I can't think for you. You can hold your breath till you pass out, and the results will remain the same. PII is no miracle chip; maybe in AMD-dom.
AM3, new socket, ready to go for future upgrades.
775, dead platform, end of life for it.
I'd go AM3 so as to not lock myself to having to again buy a new board/ram/CPU for the next upgrade.
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Coming from a person that thinks Intel will pricecut i7.Your hypocrisy is amazing; maybe your eyes are good for only those charts that show good numbers for PII. Look, it's inevitable. I know you've seen some of the leaked shots too. By the way, don't you think the lack of benchmarksfrom AMD themselves is an indicator? What about the price of the product? Dude, I can't think for you. You can hold your breath till you pass out, and the results will remain the same. PII is no miracle chip; maybe in AMD-dom.
Oww look who's delusional now.
If you already buy AM3 in the future. Then why not LGA1366 or LGA1156? Its not nice to compare it to LGA775. AM2(+) is there for that.
Plus honestly. Even tho people can upgrade the CPU only. We also know that there is something better and more fun ahead in terms of platform that you want. As AMD also continually reminds people. Platform, platform platform.
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Just look back a couple posts leading up to mine to get the context, that was already addressed.
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I'm not saying that is an unreasonable approach to take, but with the difference in platform costs, one might be able to buy a DDR2 platform(motherboard & Ram) for either AMD or Intel and then a DDR3 platform 12 months later, for the same price as buying a DDR3 platform now, but get better overall performance and system life.
At this point in time I am not sold on the benefits of DDR3 for either side.
Actually won't a PhII processor work in either a DDR2 platform or a DDR3 one?
If so, that is a big advantage they will have.
And you show us what kind of a "great" dude you are by labeling us with "pretty names" while still pretending to be "realistic". Give me a break.I can label you the same but i wont.Your hypocrisy is amazing; maybe your eyes are good for only those charts that show good numbers for PII. Look, it's inevitable. I know you've seen some of the leaked shots too. By the way, don't you think the lack of benchmarksfrom AMD themselves is an indicator? What about the price of the product? Dude, I can't think for you. You can hold your breath till you pass out, and the results will remain the same. PII is no miracle chip; maybe in AMD-dom.
I'm not holding any breath.Yeah of course i seen "the leaked slideware" and it tells me pretty much nothing,apart from bad scale on the charts and unrealistic scaling going from Q9300 to Q9400(much more than Mhz increase).
What I know is the chip has a potential to become great(if not most wanted) mainstream quad core part,it has all that is needed: high IPC,great OCing headroom,cheap and excellent platform to run on,very competitive price,great thermal properties be it stock or OCed,relatively low power draw. You can close your eyes at these facts all day long and recommend i7 left and right on this forum.It's all fine.But don't assume you know what others think and label them as residents of AMD-dom.It makes you look silly and fanboish.
i7 isalready price-cut; the top three most expensive desktop cpus are all penryns so we know who is delusional. If you have a response to my post let's hear it. I'm tired of your nonsense.Coming from a person that thinks Intel will pricecut i7.
Oww look who's delusional now.
Yes you're right, the AM3 PII will work in either board type with either type of memory. And like you I'm not sure about the benefits of DDR3 but I'm looking at it as all the newer stuff will be on AM3 and AM2+ will be left behind. I'm aiming for AM3 because of that.
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Is anyone from LGA775 switching to i7, selling their DDR3 for cheap?
If some highvolt/high-clock modules are available, it might be worth it.
Price $$$
No, you said that i7 will be price-cut BEYOND $283.
I'm tired of your spokesperson nonsense, too.
intel are prepping a CPU below core i7 920
jp has already posted some results here fellas
intel will be price/performance competitive against AMD as well i think
by the time AMD gear all some out and things get going Intel will have decent deals too (january period)
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