I'm not sure about that...Originally Posted by Calmatory
I'm not sure about that...
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I seriously fail to see the light in your wheel-reinvention. In games it doesnt do a whole lot better but it does consume more power.
I couldnt care less about power consumption, just funny how K10 was so bad and now Nehalem is awesomeIn the end K10 was for me personally a lot more worth than a C2, although C2 had quite a few numbers on its side, the actual fun was lacking severely. i7 now has about the same features as K10, but the platform is overpriced and although Intel finally managed to have everything available on launch, most triple channel and motherboards weren't. Sod that.
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Not significantly more:
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...spx?i=3453&p=3
i7 920 uses 10W more than a C2Q 9450 which has full load power consumption of around 50W. Since games don't generally fully tax CPU, the full load system power consumption doesn't provide a necessarily accurate picture of the power usage while gaming.
K10 is bad because it neither had performance, performance/watt or power usage. Much the same way Prescott was bad.I couldnt care less about power consumption, just funny how K10 was so bad and now Nehalem is awesome
Last edited by accord99; 12-08-2008 at 12:21 PM.
Source?
IIRC Lynnfield drops some of the memory performance features that are present in the full-fledged Nehalem systems. My guess is that there will be a pretty large performance penalty, although it might be offset by slightly larger overclocks.
dual channel is better in some scenarios because of lower latencies
I believe the measurements shown in the anandtech article are inaccurate. Here is an explanation of potential measurement error on Nehalem processors by LostCircuits:
In our initial article about the Core i7, codename Nehalem, we were stunned by the power efficiency of Intel’s new CPU, particularly, as we stated, since the measured processor power consumption also comprised that of the memory controller – a saving on the system level of somewhere in the order of 15-20W under load. In the course of numerous discussions, it became obvious that the numbers we measured did not quite add up to the thermal load. After the embargo on the Core i7 was lifted, data sheets became available proving our assumptions wrong, in that the memory controller was NOT part of the power we measured through the VRMs. At the same time, CanardPC and several other websites like HardTecs4U posted additional information regarding the overall power configuration of the Nehalem CPU, which is somewhat different from what we have come to know in the past from CPUs offered by Intel or AMD.
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Pretty large? As in 1-3%? Maybe the same gained with the ondie PCIe. Before trichannel was useless. Now its pretty large gain!
Lets just say it doesnt matter much.
http://techreport.com/articles.x/15967/6
Not exactly the huge penalty for a 920 with dualchannel.
Last edited by Shintai; 12-08-2008 at 12:40 PM.
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It's a total system power consumption measurement.
You got it. Phenom II will hit Intel harder than anyone can imagine. It's perf/watt/$$ will be better than anything Intel has to offer today. With today's economy, how many people will be springing for $1K upgrades when they can buy a $250 proc to replace the one they have or buy a whole new platform for half the price?
With the money saved, you could buy an air conditioner to cool your room and not your cpu.
...in January...
With the money saved, you could buy an air conditioner to cool your room and not your cpu.
...in January...
I still dont get that part at all.
Prescott was bad because it was actually worse than Northwood in every espect. Only in a very few areas it was marginally better. But K10 is quite a bit better than K8. Also K10 uses IMC and native quad core design on 65nm. It ain't a miracle it uses more power than MCM Yorkfields or even just Brisbane/Windsor
You can of course make clear for your self if you care about power consumption etc. In the end it's like saying it ain't fair to compare a GTX280 with a HD4870X2 because the latter one has two cores, in the end they're competitors. Point is just that K10 is called Prescott, it just ain't, I think you need more stuff to name a CPU a Prescott. Otherwise you could call i7 a Prescott too only because it uses more power, but that would be kind of weird, wouldnt it?
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CPU:
-Intel Core i7 920 3841A522
--CPU: 4200Mhz| Vcore: +120mV| Uncore: 3200Mhz| VTT: +100mV| Turbo: On| HT: Off
---CPU block: EK Supreme Acetal| Radiator: TCF X-Changer 480mm
Motherboard:
-Foxconn Bloodrage P06
--Blck: 200Mhz| QPI: 3600Mhz
Graphics:
-Sapphire Radeon HD 4870X2
--GPU: 750Mhz| GDDR: 900Mhz
RAM:
-3x 2GB Mushkin XP3-12800
--Mhz: 800Mhz| Vdimm: 1.65V| Timings: 7-8-7-20-1T
Storage:
-3Ware 9650SE-2LP RAID controller
--2x Western Digital 74GB Raptor RAID 0
PSU:
-Enermax Revolution 85+ 1250W
OS:
-Windows Vista Business x64
ORDERED: Sapphire HD 5970 OC
LOOKING FOR: 2x G.Skill Falcon II 128GB SSD, Windows 7
my biggest problem with lynnfield is the lack of 2 full x16 slots, it may not bottleneck my 3870s but it does bottleneck 2 4870sPretty large? As in 1-3%? Maybe the same gained with the ondie PCIe. Before trichannel was useless. Now its pretty large gain!
Lets just say it doesnt matter much.
http://techreport.com/articles.x/15967/6
Not exactly the huge penalty for a 920 with dualchannel.
sure they can use some sort of pcie switch (plx/nf200) but i think that such a switch could be a problem with nextgen cards
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The pic which shows that 3 GHz Deneb would be a tad faster than a 2.83 GHz Q9400.
Q9550 will be faster, no doubt about it.
How prescott compared to northwood was not important, What is important is how it compared to K8. That was also k10's problem, How it compared to conroe was more important than how it compared to k8.I still dont get that part at all.
Prescott was bad because it was actually worse than Northwood in every espect. Only in a very few areas it was marginally better. But K10 is quite a bit better than K8. Also K10 uses IMC and native quad core design on 65nm. It ain't a miracle it uses more power than MCM Yorkfields or even just Brisbane/Windsor
You can of course make clear for your self if you care about power consumption etc. In the end it's like saying it ain't fair to compare a GTX280 with a HD4870X2 because the latter one has two cores, in the end they're competitors. Point is just that K10 is called Prescott, it just ain't, I think you need more stuff to name a CPU a Prescott. Otherwise you could call i7 a Prescott too only because it uses more power, but that would be kind of weird, wouldnt it?
until NDA is up and everyone sees the results with the HT at 2400 instead of the misleading 1800.
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Wait...uhh.. Nice!
FYI, dont get your hopes up. that was based on nothing but hope lolWait...uhh.. Nice!
As a thread about any computer related subject has its length approach infinity, the likelihood and inevitability of a poorly constructed AMD vs. Intel fight also exponentially increases.
Likewise, the frequency of a car pseudoanalogy to explain a technical concept increases with thread length. This will make many people chuckle, as computer people are rarely knowledgeable about vehicular mechanics.
When confronted with a post that is contrary to what a poster likes, believes, or most often wants to be correct, the poster will pick out only minor details that are largely irrelevant in an attempt to shut out the conflicting idea. The core of the post will be left alone since it isn't easy to contradict what the person is actually saying.
When a poster cannot properly refute a post they do not like (as described above), the poster will most likely invent fictitious counter-points and/or begin to attack the other's credibility in feeble ways that are dramatic but irrelevant. Do not underestimate this tactic, as in the online world this will sway many observers. Do not forget: Correctness is decided only by what is said last, the most loudly, or with greatest repetition.
Remember: When debating online, everyone else is ALWAYS wrong if they do not agree with you!
I was gonna say, what source......
don't do that to us! Use a smiley or something
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Ya, sorry bout dat.now theres gonna be an article at the Inq.
As a thread about any computer related subject has its length approach infinity, the likelihood and inevitability of a poorly constructed AMD vs. Intel fight also exponentially increases.
Likewise, the frequency of a car pseudoanalogy to explain a technical concept increases with thread length. This will make many people chuckle, as computer people are rarely knowledgeable about vehicular mechanics.
When confronted with a post that is contrary to what a poster likes, believes, or most often wants to be correct, the poster will pick out only minor details that are largely irrelevant in an attempt to shut out the conflicting idea. The core of the post will be left alone since it isn't easy to contradict what the person is actually saying.
When a poster cannot properly refute a post they do not like (as described above), the poster will most likely invent fictitious counter-points and/or begin to attack the other's credibility in feeble ways that are dramatic but irrelevant. Do not underestimate this tactic, as in the online world this will sway many observers. Do not forget: Correctness is decided only by what is said last, the most loudly, or with greatest repetition.
Remember: When debating online, everyone else is ALWAYS wrong if they do not agree with you!
Ya, sorry bout dat.
Should keep an eye out, and if it does show up that would be classic. Then we could all spam INQ with hate mail
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Yeah...in January...
Argh cmon, share your knowledge with us
You got it. Phenom II will hit Intel harder than anyone can imagine. It's perf/watt/$$ will be better than anything Intel has to offer today. With today's economy, how many people will be springing for $1K upgrades when they can buy a $250 proc to replace the one they have or buy a whole new platform for half the price?
With the money saved, you could buy an air conditioner to cool your room and not your cpu.
When NDA ends?
You got me on that, lol
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