AMD Shows Deneb (Phenom II) pictures of 6.2GHz CPUz etc

[Chad Boga]

Oh wow, the sky is falling, AMD's gonna fold their chair soon, going under the night Phenom 2 is released. I can't believe these negativity toward this particular company in this forum, it's just totally pathetic.

Are people supposed to ignore the likely outcomes just because those outcomes bring unpleasant consequences?

AMD need for Intel to have delays with multisocket Nehalem, 32nm and to have Westmere also have problems, because if Intel execute multisocket Nelly, 32nm and Westmere according to their roadmap, AMD will be even worse placed for all of 2010 than they have been for all of 2008 and I just couldn't imagine them surviving all that.

There must be some chance of Intel having problems with at least one of those 3 things, so we will see, but how can one not see the massive problems AMD is potentially facing?

[Bgriffs]

Are people supposed to ignore the likely outcomes just because those outcomes bring unpleasant consequences?

AMD need for Intel to have delays with multisocket Nehalem, 32nm and to have Westmere also have problems, because if Intel execute multisocket Nelly, 32nm and Westmere according to their roadmap, AMD will be even worse placed for all of 2010 than they have been for all of 2008 and I just couldn't imagine them surviving all that.

There must be some chance of Intel having problems with at least one of those 3 things, so we will see, but how can one not see the massive problems AMD is potentially facing?

AMD is also dropping its FAB's so this means less overall debt and costs. They can put more of their money back in to R&D and keep things moving along at a better pace. As long as they have a decent P2 launch here and then can keep up the performance and the pace while putting out the triple and dual core models OEM's will be eager to snap them up as long as priced properly. This gives them a healthy chance to climb back into the ring and stay competitive. They don't need Intel to falter, it would help, but they are more than capable now to keep themselves afloat.

[Shintai]

AMD is also dropping its FAB's so this means less overall debt and costs. They can put more of their money back in to R&D and keep things moving along at a better pace. As long as they have a decent P2 launch here and then can keep up the performance and the pace while putting out the triple and dual core models OEM's will be eager to snap them up as long as priced properly. This gives them a healthy chance to climb back into the ring and stay competitive. They don't need Intel to falter, it would help, but they are more than capable now to keep themselves afloat.

You forgot that Fab R&D gets cutted. Since ATIC doesnt invest as much as AMD did. Plus the profit loss etc from not owning the fabs. And AMD is keeping the vast majority of its debts.

[Tiridum]

Are people supposed to ignore the likely outcomes just because those outcomes bring unpleasant consequences?

AMD need for Intel to have delays with multisocket Nehalem, 32nm and to have Westmere also have problems, because if Intel execute multisocket Nelly, 32nm and Westmere according to their roadmap, AMD will be even worse placed for all of 2010 than they have been for all of 2008 and I just couldn't imagine them surviving all that.

do you really believe westmere will be available at q4 2009?
i really doubt that, nehalem will only be a few % of the market, not more then 5% for a few quarters, one of the reasons is its large die
quite funny actually because people were screaming everywhere about the diesize of K10, but now that intel has a good cpu with a larger die then the K10, all is fine...
look at nehalem as the GTX280, super performance, power hungry beast, too big die

[Chad Boga]

do you really believe westmere will be available at q4 2009?

No I don't, at least not to the average punter. But if it is then . . . . .

look at nehalem as the GTX280, super performance, power hungry beast, too big die

Nehalem isn't that power hungry at stock speeds and whilst the GTX280 is outperformed by the 4870x2, Nehalem doesn't have an equivalent concern.

[Tiridum]

No I don't, at least not to the average punter. But if it is then . . . . .


Nehalem isn't that power hungry at stock speeds and whilst the GTX280 is outperformed by the 4870x2, Nehalem doesn't have an equivalent concern.

i know a 4870x2 outperforms a gtx280 but that was not my point
and nehalem is quit powerhungry

[Rammsteiner]

Nehalem isn't that power hungry at stock speeds and whilst the GTX280 is outperformed by the 4870x2, Nehalem doesn't have an equivalent concern.

Nehalem should be power hungry for all the people who were laughin' 'n troll'n how Phenom was power hungry. There ain't hard numbers for PhII yet, but thus far i7 920 uses more than Q9450, upto 20% if not more. There are quite some positive articles going around saying that AMD's 45nm SOI process might actually be better than Intel's 45nm HKMG process. As said, we'll have to wait.

And to be honest, Im quite curious how PhII 940BE stands out against an equally priced i7 920 really. GTX280 doesnt lose everywhere, although in quite some applications it does, but Im not so sure how these two CPU's go up against each other regarding your 'non-equivalent concern' Something tells me this might be quite close actually. At most we've one month to go so we'll see by then heh

[Chad Boga]

Nehalem should be power hungry for all the people who were laughin' 'n troll'n how Phenom was power hungry. There ain't hard numbers for PhII yet, but thus far i7 920 uses more than Q9450, upto 20% if not more.

Performance/watt is the key, not just power draw in isolation.

[Tiridum]

Performance/watt is the key, not just power draw in isolation.

perf/watt is very good for nehalem, power draw is not....

[accord99]

perf/watt is very good for nehalem, power draw is not....

It's not bad, given the enthusiast platform it's currently paired with and tri-channel memory support. It only looks bad because it's compared with extremely power efficient 45nm C2Qs.

[Jazzman]

perf/watt is very good for nehalem, power draw is not....

Here is how Intel views "power draw".

Figure 3 there shows Intels statistical thermal analysis of MPUs across application workloads ->

Generally, the TDP target is determined as a function of the anticipated thermal stress load the processor will encounter, which in turn is a function of the application software run on the processor. For example, FIG. 3 shows a graph of CPU power vs. number of applications, which is illustrative of a typical power consumption vs. application type distribution. Generally, each application program has its own unique power profile, although the profile has some variability due to loop decisions, I/O activity and interrupts. The graph illustrates a statistical distribution based on averaged application power consumption.

US Patent 7275012 - Automated method and apparatus for processor thermal validation

[Rammsteiner]

Performance/watt is the key, not just power draw in isolation.

I seriously fail to see the light in your wheel-reinvention. In games it doesnt do a whole lot better but it does consume more power.

I couldnt care less about power consumption, just funny how K10 was so bad and now Nehalem is awesome In the end K10 was for me personally a lot more worth than a C2, although C2 had quite a few numbers on its side, the actual fun was lacking severely. i7 now has about the same features as K10, but the platform is overpriced and although Intel finally managed to have everything available on launch, most triple channel and motherboards weren't. Sod that.

[accord99]

I seriously fail to see the light in your wheel-reinvention. In games it doesnt do a whole lot better but it does consume more power.

Not significantly more:

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...spx?i=3453&p=3

i7 920 uses 10W more than a C2Q 9450 which has full load power consumption of around 50W. Since games don't generally fully tax CPU, the full load system power consumption doesn't provide a necessarily accurate picture of the power usage while gaming.

I couldnt care less about power consumption, just funny how K10 was so bad and now Nehalem is awesome

K10 is bad because it neither had performance, performance/watt or power usage. Much the same way Prescott was bad.