AMD Shows Deneb (Phenom II) pictures of 6.2GHz CPUz etc

[taurus_sel]

Does Intel know that you're posting here, and do they approve? I know that they do not for general engineers, but as Marketing you might be an exception.

Just curious.

I'd be amazed if anyone at Intel would allow this to continue if they saw it.

[taurus_sel]

This is unnecessary Why can't you just disagree without being so obnoxious? I use Intel products and I'm glad Francois is on this forum dropping little hints here and there about Intel products, if you don't like it, use the ignore button already!

I'm the best overclocker there is. I am the best person there is. I am responsible for the success of a next generation chip. I should be president. And I approve this message.

Yup, that's not obnoxious.

[Shadowmage]

I'd be amazed if anyone at Intel would allow this to continue if they saw it.

You heard the man:

I think you have the wrong idea of Intel ... we have full freedom to post what ever we want , as long as we do not break our NDA with Intel.
This is not the big brother you imagine ... Get use to it, we have our 1st Amendement right, or the 11th of the French constituion right ...

and for this post ... just over ... I think it is pretty fair to make fun of somebody talking about me in such flatering words, isn't it? Or many be because I work for intel, i should lose my basic human rights?

Thanks

Francois for President!

My guess is that they know about him posting but they haven't read anything that he has written

[YukonTrooper]

It's staying for now....let's not let it get worse though.

Noted. Drwho? definitely lost some of my respect.

This is unnecessary Why can't you just disagree without being so obnoxious? I use Intel products and I'm glad Francois is on this forum dropping little hints here and there about Intel products, if you don't like it, use the ignore button already!

I would agree with this sentiment 90% of the time, but it sounds like Drwho? is indeed acting disreputably. If the mods let Shadowmage bring up such information, they must feel strongly about it. My .

[Sly Fox]

I for one am glad that DrWho posts here. The more industry insiders who come to XS the better as far as I'm concerned.

At the same time I firmly believe he should be held accountable for the things that he says and shouldn't be "off-limits" to
argue with just because he is somewhat of a V.I.P. if you will.

I'm glad the mods aren't going deletion happy and that the discussion hasn't degraded into too much ad hominem.

As for Phenom II, I am ecstatic that it looks good. Even though I probably won't purchase one anytime too soon, all the top
OCers doing everything with Intel only is getting boring. I want to read about some insane AMD overclocks on XS once more.

[Rammsteiner]

I hear the red, orange, and black coming.

Are we all getting free Foxconn Renaissance/Bloodrage boards?

I for one am glad that DrWho posts here. The more industry insiders who come to XS the better as far as I'm concerned.

At the same time I firmly believe he should be held accountable for the things that he says and shouldn't be "off-limits" to
argue with just because he is somewhat of a V.I.P. if you will.

I'm glad the mods aren't going deletion happy and that the discussion hasn't degraded into too much ad hominem.

As for Phenom II, I am ecstatic that it looks good. Even though I probably won't purchase one anytime too soon, all the top
OCers doing everything with Intel only is getting boring. I want to read about some insane AMD overclocks on XS once more.

We've lost enough good people.

Im sure DrWho posted some nice and usefull information somewhere, but from his posting style he shouldnt be around in AMD threads much. He'd better show off some nice i7 tweaking guides etc in Intel section, then he's usefull, not bragging about Intel in AMD threads with stupid assumptions

Lets give it a rest, hope he reads it though

[dread77]

... @ 4GHz+ ... air cooled...

[Rammsteiner]

on air cooling... ( Phenom 9950 cooler)

Stock 9950 heat sink

[dread77]

Stock 9950 heat sink

... and stable...

[felix_w]

Very nice mate...

[Jaivan]

Phenom II is giving me a chubby!!

[Tiridum]

Im sure DrWho posted some nice and usefull information somewhere, but from his posting style he shouldnt be around in AMD threads much. He'd better show off some nice i7 tweaking guides etc in Intel section, then he's usefull, not bragging about Intel in AMD threads with stupid assumptions

QFT, but hey, he is french, so what do you expect

... @ 4GHz+ ... air cooled...

why is the voltage blacked out?

[Macadamia]

why is the voltage blacked out?

Most probably at AMD's request, because most of the noobie idiot overclockers think vCore is one and the same.


i.e, 1.5v for Deneb and suddenly it's unsafe. Despite being coolable on stock.

[Ubermann]

When AMD have something good then they will show it public!
Only a MORON would show something not so good in public.
If its sux then you create hype instead, its all about getting money!
This is the way AMD works and it never fails and you know that.
But people "love" amd so much cuz they are smaller then Intel and can fool pretty much anyone with this nonsense.
Looks like a religion to me.
You get fooled and you get angry but one year later you forgotten that and this time they sure is no BS and you help with the hype again just to get fooled again, and you do this over and over and over and over again.
It looks so damn stupid!
Can you understand why people leave AMD and go to Intel ? Not only for speed but you know what you get.

1 month to release so this product is done and can be put in any system and showed worldwide and let any OC have fun with it to get everyone to change their plans and get awful lots of cash from investors.

BUT you got one corner from a tiny little screenshot instead.
Its to damn easy to fool people this days..

[informal]

Most probably at AMD's request, because most of the noobie idiot overclockers think vCore is one and the same.


i.e, 1.5v for Deneb and suddenly it's unsafe. Despite being coolable on stock.

Yep indeed. I can already see some of the comments about Vcore needed for 4Ghz,since intel CPUs will degrade at those :" OMGBBQWTFBURNZ 1.6V thermonukelar meltdown" . But 1.6V ,as you said,is coolable on stock cooling and 18% (eighteen percent) over stock, which is 1.35V.
45nm SOI in AMD's version of the process ,as things look right now,will be quite competitive.I expect that 32nm SOI for high perf. chips continue down this road.

1 month to release so this product is done and can be put in any system and showed worldwide and let any OC have fun with it to get everyone to change their plans and get awful lots of cash from investors.

BUT you got one corner from a tiny little screenshot instead.
Its to damn easy to fool people this days..

Bold part is my candidate for "post" of the month.Priceless.
The rest of the post(unquoted) has similar "value".Same as the avatar of sinking AMD "titanic". Unbiased and right on the money .

[Solus Corvus]

*gets out the popcorn*

[AbelJemka]

When AMD have something good then they will show it public!
Only a MORON would show something not so good in public.
If its sux then you create hype instead, its all about getting money!
This is the way AMD works and it never fails and you know that.
But people "love" amd so much cuz they are smaller then Intel and can fool pretty much anyone with this nonsense.
Looks like a religion to me.
You get fooled and you get angry but one year later you forgotten that and this time they sure is no BS and you help with the hype again just to get fooled again, and you do this over and over and over and over again.
It looks so damn stupid!
Can you understand why people leave AMD and go to Intel ? Not only for speed but you know what you get.

1 month to release so this product is done and can be put in any system and showed worldwide and let any OC have fun with it to get everyone to change their plans and get awful lots of cash from investors.

BUT you got one corner from a tiny little screenshot instead.
Its to damn easy to fool people this days..

Tell us, you just look the first post and stop reading after...
+1 priceless post of the month

[Macadamia]

Core i7's static PMOS is quite voltage tolerant too, just that it didn't matter that much probably because the uncore section is a powerhog anyway.

Lostcircuits measured it I think and got 44W for the uncore alone.

[Bergundy]

Noted. Drwho? definitely lost some of my respect.

I would agree with this sentiment 90% of the time, but it sounds like Drwho? is indeed acting disreputably. If the mods let Shadowmage bring up such information, they must feel strongly about it. My .

It's staying for now....let's not let it get worse though.

I don't see why industry reps need such kid-gloves?

I mean, when people argue all over these forums mods don't step in unless it gets really testy, but why does everybody need to walk on eggshells when it's drwho??? Even review sites take pains to emphasize that their editorial content is independent of any manufacturer, so why would a mere discussion forum go out of its way to self-censor criticism of drwho? Why do people get banned for exuberance when talking to this fellow? Why do we need to be afraid of speaking freely when an Intel marketing guy joins a thread?

Go ahead and ban me, plenty of people have left xtremesystems in disgust already.

[Rammsteiner]

When AMD have something good then they will show it public!
Only a MORON would show something not so good in public.
If its sux then you create hype instead, its all about getting money!
This is the way AMD works and it never fails and you know that.
But people "love" amd so much cuz they are smaller then Intel and can fool pretty much anyone with this nonsense.
Looks like a religion to me.
You get fooled and you get angry but one year later you forgotten that and this time they sure is no BS and you help with the hype again just to get fooled again, and you do this over and over and over and over again.
It looks so damn stupid!
Can you understand why people leave AMD and go to Intel ? Not only for speed but you know what you get.

1 month to release so this product is done and can be put in any system and showed worldwide and let any OC have fun with it to get everyone to change their plans and get awful lots of cash from investors.

BUT you got one corner from a tiny little screenshot instead.
Its to damn easy to fool people this days..

Hahaha, wtf dude., take it easy on the meths

And what about HD4xxx series Einstein? They didnt show much more context pre-launch about that product then they do with PhII now.

And to be honest, you dont seem to understand why there's also people not going to Intel but sticking with AMD. Ever tried to look at it that way? We dont love AMD because they're cute and small, otherwise we'd be with VIA

And Ive yet to discover anything from AMD which made me feel fooled really. Their statements about how great Phenom was pre-launch wasnt exactly true, but for the rest? I mean, I bought Phenom like a lot of other people did when B3 came out. There were loads of reviews out by then and everyone knew what to expect in terms of performance...

What the hell is your point anyway

PS if it was a religion I wouldnt be a part of it

[informal]

Core i7's static PMOS is quite voltage tolerant too, just that it didn't matter that much probably because the uncore section is a powerhog anyway.

Lostcircuits measured it I think and got 44W for the uncore alone.

I read their i7 Power Plays article.The article is quite an eye opener since they concluded that total chip power draw is near 204W(that's including uncore part).205W-210 for a stock 965EE with turned-off over-current protection is a lot,and there needs to be a change how review sites measure power draw from now on,since methods used up until now can't be applied to core i7 anymore since "the entire Uncore is uncoupled from the CPU’s main power supply coming in through the auxiliary 12V rail".

[dread77]

@Ubermann... Man, you are SOOO wrong. AMD came in public right from the first minute. AMD held 4 major o/c events OPEN to public participation and circulated several samples to prove that Austin rumours were true 100%.

I have never benched an AMD processor, simply because it didn't worth it. Well, with 940 most definitely I am getting myself a PhenomII rig.

[Olivon]

QFT, but hey, he is french, so what do you expect

Hateboys are so clever ... poor guy ...

[N19h7m4r3]

I'm itching to get back to AMD so badly!

I've always tried to tell myself I don't care, I buy what's the best at the time, well I should have gotten i7 then once it was out.

But I want a Phenom II so badly, actually selling a system I only recently put together, I want it now!

[accord99]

I read their i7 Power Plays article.The article is quite an eye opener since they concluded that total chip power draw is near 204W(that's including uncore part).

They didn't conclude anything, they merely calculated using essentially worst-case figures. And from total system power measurements in reviews (and Lost Circuit's own measurements of the core power usage), i7 clearly does not use 200W.