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    Copper TRUE compared to TRUE, IFX-14, 1284EE

    Finally ready to start putting up some numbers.....and there are a lot of numbers to be put up

    Let's run down what I tested and how I tested:

    I have two different CPUs for testing, an extremely hot running E6700 and a very hot running QX6700. I was spending a lot of testing time up at TjMax on both processors....and one of the HSFs couldn't even hold my E6700 at or below TjMax with the lowest fan speed (though it was still totally stable....just the temperature data was useless). I ran the E6700 at 3555MHz (395x9) at 1.56v loaded on a Blitz Extreme. I ran the QX6700 at 3160 (395x8) at 1.46v loaded on the same Blitz Extreme. When swapping processors, only two BIOS settings were changed: multiplier and voltage. This was for simplicity....neither CPU is anywhere near maxxed out for being Prime/OCCT stable at these clocks, I just wanted to consistently create a lot of heat and have it run regardless of the temps it was enduring. On request, I can list more complete BIOS settings....I am, admittedly, pushing on the northbridge pretty hard (200 strap and 1.74v for starters), but it shouldn't affect results.

    I used OCCT to load and record temperatures....it was getting essentially identical load temps and temperature outputs to a manual test of Prime95 + CoreTemp, but it's fully automatic and repeatable, and therefore more desirable for this kind of testing. Linpack was not used because, well, it was too hot--most of the time it would go over TjMax in no time at all (making all data useless), and sometimes it would crash (never fun). I suppose the next batch I can use Linpack implemented via OCCT 3.0b and use some lower clocks/voltages

    I have four HSFs here to test: a new Copper TRUE, an older TRUE which I have already lapped (amateurishly....just to rid it of its poor stock base), an older unlapped IFX-14 (the backside cooler was not used in this test, it doesn't do much in my experience though), and a new Xigmatek 1284EE with stock push-pin mounting and the "Crossbow" hard mounting.

    On each set up, I tested 8 fan setups: 1) single Noctua P12 (1300RPM), 2) dual Noctua P12s, 3) single S-Flex F (1600RPM), 4) dual S-Flex Fs, 5) single Ultra Kaze 2000 (2000RPM), 6) dual Ultra Kaze 2000s, 7) single Panaflo U1A (2750RPM), and 8) dual Panaflo U1As.

    Each test was repeated on two separate mounts and the data has been averaged. I really wanted to do three or more, but considering how much time two took, three was out of the question for my sanity, let alone more than three. Intake ambient temps were taken throughout testing and used to calculate deltas. I tried to maintain them between 23-24.5C for all testing to minimize the amount of error incurred by varying ambients.

    I also did a few modifications of the HSFs, and are noted when appropriate. Here's a summation of notation:
    Lapping1 = amateurish lapping job.
    Lapping2 = a nice lapping job (mirror finish).
    Lapping3 = significant base material removed and then lapped to a mirror finish.
    Hi-Pres = washers or duct tape were used to increase mounting pressure significantly.

    I've graphed four different sets of data extracted from the same tests: average sustained load, peak sustained load, average short load, and peak short load.

    Average sustained load is the average of dTs over the span of 0:20 and 10:00 of the OCCT load.

    Peak sustained load is the maximum delta between the span of 0:20 and 10:00 of the OCCT load (any core of the 2 or 4).

    Average short load is the average of dTs over the span of 0:00 and 1:00 of the OCCT load.

    Peak short load is the maximum delta between the span of 0:00 and 1:00 on any core of the OCCT load.

    Some notes:
    1) E6700 is lapped to a mirror shine, QX6700 is not lapped at all.

    2) Pushpin 1284EE was not run on the QX6700 because one of the pushpins refused to maintain pressure that far along into the testing. I'm actually a big fan of pushpins--easy to mount (takes 5 seconds for any HSF), but these were amazingly low quality. I've enjoyed using pushpins from Intel and Scythe and Thermaltake sinks, but these were just bad, I can see why people have wanted to upgrade to the Crossbow.

    3) Lapped 1284EE was not run on the E6700 because it performed worse than stock on the QX6700 and I didn't waste my time since it already performed so poorly on the E6700. Sorry (well, not really).

    4) I really want to take my regular TRUE's baseplate down to within a millimeter or two of the heatpipes, but after a long, long time lapping just to get to "Lapping3" I felt it was unpractical to such significant time for so small of a potential gain.

    5) All HSFs were bought via retail channels, none of the manufacturers know who I am, let alone arranged a review with me--hopefully these results are fully indicative of what you can expect from retail product.

    6) My tests are just one set of results and while I've put a lot of effort into ensuring the quality of the data--it doesn't make other legitimate results any less valid, even if they disagree.

    7) My main direction in this review isn't to find what is "best" but rather what is most useful in certain situations.

    8) Ceramique was used and allowed no curing time. Upon removal, all mounts were considered at least "good" based on visual inspection. For the
    'normal' HSFs, I used a dot in the center and for the HDT, I used a line perpendicular to the heatpipes.

    9) All single fan configs were in pull (and the IFX-14 had the fan in the center) while all dual fan configs were in push/pull (with the IFX-14's fans in the center and the 'far' end of the airflow).

    ...So how about some results?

    Sustained load tests first:
    E6700 395x9 1.56v loaded, averages


    E6700 395x9 1.56v loaded, peak deltas


    QX6700 395x8 1.46v loaded, averages


    QX6700 395x8 1.46v loaded, peak deltas



    Short load tests:
    E6700 395x9 1.56v loaded, averages


    E6700 395x9 1.56v loaded, peak deltas


    QX6700 395x8 1.46v loaded, averages


    QX6700 395x8 1.46v loaded, peak deltas

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    what program are you using to make those graphs??? I have a p[roject and need to make graphs just like that and cannot find anything.

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    oh wow, i thought the 1284 was sposed to be better with the new revision

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    So you will still go for the S-flex for performance / noise ratio ? I see its performance but only you would know the noise level on these heatsinks. I definately know the 2000 rpm fans weren't quiet.
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    wow all that on excell???I have excell for windows and just cant seem to make one like that

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    Wow, nice job Vapor It looks like just as with the regular TRUE, the copper TRUE benefits greatly from lapping. Which make me question again, why the hell don't they come that way?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdmR View Post
    oh wow, i thought the 1284 was sposed to be better with the new revision
    The 1284EE is better than the 1284 from everything I've seen. It didn't fair well on my E6700, but did well on my QX6700. Not sure what caused it--higher power density, dual core, or being lapped. Could be something else entirely--isolating the variables to figure out the exact cause isn't as easy as it sounds

    Quote Originally Posted by Ar3s View Post
    So you will still go for the S-flex for performance / noise ratio ? I see its performance but only you would know the noise level on these heatsinks. I definately know the 2000 rpm fans weren't quiet.
    I'd probably go with dual 1300RPM fans on any/all of the heatsinks. I'm curious what dual 1000RPM would do though. Anything more than an S-Flex F was too much for me to handle for a 24/7 setting--that's just my personal taste though.

    Quote Originally Posted by philbrown23 View Post
    wow all that on excell???I have excell for windows and just cant seem to make one like that
    It took some tinkering to get these graphs...maybe 2007 can do it as well? I haven't used that in awhile, can't say I remember.

    Quote Originally Posted by [XC] 4X4N View Post
    Wow, nice job Vapor It looks like just as with the regular TRUE, the copper TRUE benefits greatly from lapping. Which make me question again, why the hell don't they come that way?
    The TRUECu definitely benefited from lapping! Unfortunately I can't unlap my TRUE, otherwise that'd be thrown into the mix as well. I remember being astonished at the temp drops when I lapped it though

    More graphs on the way in the coming posts so it's easier to read and compare certain pairings of HSFs

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    Thermalright HSFs with a basic lapping

    Here's a 'zoom-in' of the Thermalright HSFs with just a basic lapping job and no pressure mounting

    E6700 Sustained Average


    E6700 Sustained Peak


    E6700 Short Average


    E6700 Short Pk


    QX6700 Sustained Average


    QX6700 Sustained Peak


    QX6700 Short Average


    QX6700 Short Peak

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    Open the box and use it--what you get :)

    Here's a 'zoom-in' of the stock configured HSFs

    E6700 Sustained Average


    E6700 Sustained Peak


    E6700 Short Average


    E6700 Short Pk


    QX6700 Sustained Average


    QX6700 Sustained Peak


    QX6700 Short Average


    QX6700 Short Peak

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    As Good As It Gets

    Here's a 'zoom-in' graph with each HSF tuned as best as I tested


    E6700 Sustained Average


    E6700 Sustained Peak


    E6700 Short Average


    E6700 Short Pk


    QX6700 Sustained Average


    QX6700 Sustained Peak


    QX6700 Short Average


    QX6700 Short Peak

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    TRUE That

    Here's a 'zoom-in' graph of all the TRUE-based results (TRUE and TRUECu) that I tested


    E6700 Sustained Average


    E6700 Sustained Peak


    E6700 Short Average


    E6700 Short Pk


    QX6700 Sustained Average


    QX6700 Sustained Peak


    QX6700 Short Average


    QX6700 Short Peak

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    Just noticed a typo in some of the QX6700 Sustained load graphs! "Lapped2 Hi-Pres TRUE" should really be "Lapped3 Hi-Pres TRUE"

    I originally had Lapped1, Lapped1.5, Lapped2 as the three designations...but switched that to Lapped, Lapped2, Lapped3 sometime yesterday. Guess I forgot to update both the .xlsx files, oops

    Lapped2 Hi-Pres TRUE doesn't exist anyway, so it shouldn't be that worrisome

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    soooo.. all things being equal, TRUE-Cu kicks ass?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tiro_uspsss View Post
    soooo.. all things being equal, TRUE-Cu kicks ass?
    Of course they do, it's 4 1/2 pounds of copper heat-grabbing goodness
    Vapor's extensive testing in this excellent review confirms this heatsink's abilities, and as he mentioned, it does benefit from lapping.
    Yes,they are expensive, and way too heavy for safe vertical use without additional support, but I admire Thermalright for bringing it out. And I have a strange lust for one myself

    How is your TRUE-Cu doing? Are you pleased with it overall?
    A shame about that rust on the bracket but it looks easy enough to clean off.
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    information overload!

    great work, as always

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    Quote Originally Posted by Retro View Post

    How is your TRUE-Cu doing? Are you pleased with it overall?
    A shame about that rust on the bracket but it looks easy enough to clean off.
    I dont really care about the bracket - the scratches on the HS itself however.. - i'll be trying to buff them out sometime this week hopefully
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    Here are the core/heatpipe orientations I tested with the 1284EE:

    E6700:


    QX6700:



    I'll try the following two orientations this upcoming week as well as a bunch of other things

    E6700:


    QX6700:
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    adding this together with two 4870 x2 must make one heavy computer. hehe
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    thanks for the graphs Vapor !! eye usta be a system's analyst nice work

    am haveing a little trouble with em tho being blue green color blind
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    Interesting that the High Pressure benefits the TrueCu on the E67 but not the Q67

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    I didn't test a high pressure mount on the TRUECu and QX6700? I ran out of time and didn't get to it before I had to go out of town

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vapor View Post
    I didn't test a high pressure mount on the TRUECu and QX6700? I ran out of time and didn't get to it before I had to go out of town
    Oh woops now it makes more sense lol

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    very nice Vapor! deserves to be another sticky!

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