Intel to Retaliate to AMD Phenom II Overclocking Feat, Plans Demonstration at CES '09

[Stukov]

*Breaking News*

Fugger will be present in 2 weeks for an Nvidia demonstration on overlocking one of their GPU's to 8Ghz on Liquid Helium Cooling.

Wait, what? Oh, Fugger here is your notice/invintation

[BababooeyHTJ]

All I want to know is, does he get to keep the cpu?

[fireice2]

The most surprised guy here would be none other than FUGGER himself.

[tiro_uspsss]

I don't mean to sound rude, but I have no clue whatsoever what you are talking about.

dont worry u dont sound rude.. just.. intentionally.. nvm
hello!? - U are on ur 2nd account

[tiro_uspsss]

Why is Fugger the only person to clear 5 GHz on a core i7?

But we do know in general how core i7s run based on results from this forum and no one that I've seen has gotten 5GHz on air.

u contradicted urself

[MsB]

OMG The news of AMD and Intels response actually has sparked me to to read XS again and to be excited once again about OCing. Looks like the fun in OCing may come back for me with this competetion and all the possiblilities.

[gallag]

I don't understand how any enthusiast can be upset about this, Unless they are hardcore fanboys? Is this not the competition we have been looking for? Is it a bad thing that Intel and AMD are taking an interest it ocing? Its just like porsche and Nissan trying to get the fastest around the ring, Good sport.

[gosh]

Unless they are hardcore fanboys? Is this not the competition we have been looking for?

Competition needs rules and fair play.
Don't think this is about competition, it's about trying to hurt the release of deneb.

[Neuuubeh]

hm I guess I missed that news about massive phenomII overclocking..


However didnt kingpin get a skulltrail system to 6.6 ghz several months back? Whats the big deal with a single cpu hitting 6ghz :O. There were even some p4's hitting around 8ghz, am I not right?
I dont really get it :x. This move seems a bit childish oO.

But why not, it could help the enthusiast at the end, so might as well go for it . Slap that i7 Fugger

[gallag]

Competition needs rules and fair play.
Don't think this is about competition, it's about trying to hurt the release of deneb.

So you are saying that Intel should stop trying to take the enthusiast market in case it hurts the sales of deneb? You do realise that Intel and AMD are company's don't you, Both would kill a kitten for an extra buck so its hardly a surprise that Intel want to steal deneb sales, Is it?

I suppose you were equally vocal about AMD going to every Intel conference and handing out books called "dual cores for dummy's" Or the "dual core dual" or the times square add about how much electricity Intel wasted etc etc etc etc.
These are fair in my book because AMD is a business and has to take sales from its competitor so don't set the morals bar to high.

[Ghostbuster]

Oh my! That avatar... its good old kassler who got owned and kicked around at HardForum.

[gosh]

So you are saying that Intel should stop trying to take the enthusiast market in case it hurts the sales of deneb? You do realise that Intel and AMD are company's don't you, Both would kill a kitten for an extra buck so its hardly a surprise that Intel want to steal deneb sales, Is it?

That wasn't what I said, I informed about competition. Of course they do what they can to promote their products.
Trying to pretend that this is some sort of competition rather than plain marketing is an insult to others intelligence.
If Intel want real competition then they probably know that it needs some sort of rules etc, maybe they have visit some sports event and learned how it is done there?

[Ghostbuster]

That wasn't what I said, I informed about competition. Of course they do what they can to promote their products.
Trying to pretend that this is some sort of competition rather than plain marketing is an insult to others intelligence.

You did with Kyle and you already saw the outcome..

If Intel want real competition then they probably know that it needs some sort of rules etc, maybe they have visit some sports event and learned how it is done there?

Interesting... tell us more about these "rules"...

[Neuuubeh]

...maybe they have visit some sports event and learned how it is done there?

Sports arent the best example. There is no fair competition as long as money or big recognition are involved. Its simply impossible.
Watch "Bigger, stronger, faster", it kind of illustrates my point . Its a nice movie as well, shows a lot of hillariously ridiculous cases .

[gosh]

You did with Kyle and you already saw the outcome..

Interesting... tell us more about these "rules"...

You are very OT know but yes, HardOCP is probably one of the most focused Intel forum. Say anything good about AMD in relation to Intel and you risk to be banned

[gosh]

There is no fair competition as long as money or big recognition are involved. Its simply impossible.

And that was my point

If Intel could clock better they would already have showed it

[gallag]

And that was my point

If Intel could clock better they would already have showed it

I don't think that you even know what your point was any more, You just seem angry at Intel.

[Hornet331]

You are very OT know but yes, HardOCP is probably one of the most focused Intel forum. Say anything good about AMD in relation to Intel and you risk to be banned

omfg... im in mirror universe again.

[gosh]

I don't think that you even know what your point was any more, You just seem angry at Intel.

OT
I think i7 is great, just like phenom. If it could advance on the market finally programmers are able to create threaded software without redesign the whole application or redesign big parts of the application. The market for these true quads is too small now.

[qurious63ss]

Competition needs rules and fair play.
Don't think this is about competition, it's about trying to hurt the release of deneb.

So Amd's overclocking stunt had nothing to do with them trying to get people to hold off on buying i7 and wait to see how deneb overclocks? It seems that Amd knows they can't beat Intel clock for clock, so instead they are now pushing the we can overclock better card. Nothing wrong with Intel responding to this challenge is there?

[gosh]

So Amd's overclocking stunt had nothing to do with them trying to get people to hold off on buying i7 and wait to see how deneb overclocks?

Of course it was and I think it was a very smart move too. Hurting the contender on the contenders backyard is probably where it hurts most. Just the reaction from Intel here is proof enough for that. I think that the budget Intel is spending to counter this attack may be rather large. And I think they will use whatever trick they can to make it work for them. They probably need some time for this, and the CES 2009 when deneb should be released may be time enough.
If the processor is able to clock know, then it would be very easy for them to remove the focus from AMD just by inviting some people and show it.

[taurus_sel]

u contradicted urself

Oh really? How's that?

[Ghostbuster]

Kyle questioning kassler/gosh views...
http://www.hardforum.com/showpost.ph...5&postcount=39

The post right before Kyle blew the top...
http://www.hardforum.com/showpost.ph...3&postcount=48

Where gosh's avatar came from...
http://www.hardforum.com/showpost.ph...0&postcount=50

Its truly a rare sight to see Kyle do that...

[qurious63ss]

Of course it was and I think it was a very smart move too. Hurting the contender on the contenders backyard is probably where it hurts most. Just the reaction from Intel here is proof enough for that. I think that the budget Intel is spending to counter this attack may be rather large. And I think they will use whatever trick they can to make it work for them. They probably need some time for this, and the CES 2009 when deneb should be released may be time enough.
If the processor is able to clock know, then it would be very easy for them to remove the focus from AMD just by inviting some people and show it.

Amd has always been very brash since the atholon X2 days when they challenged Intel to some sort of benchmarking competition. Then the "We have a true quad" fiasco as well as the "dummy" book. It seems to me that they initiated all these challenges so why shouldn't Intel respond to the challenge? Because Intel is too big and has more resources?

[gosh]

Amd has always been very brash since the atholon X2 days when they challenged Intel to some sort of benchmarking competition. Then the "We have a true quad" fiasco as well as the "dummy" book. It seems to me that they initiated all these challenges so why shouldn't Intel respond to the challenge? Because Intel is too big and has more resources?

OT
C2Q isn't a true quad but you need to know how software works on the processor to understand this. Create two threads on the c2q that shares memory and you probably get slower speed compared to one single thread, much slower. Creating threaded software needs planning on how memory is used on C2Q, this type of planning isn't necessary on phenom and i7 and the reason for this is the L3 cache. Maybe you will see new drivers soon, and games that used to use only one single thread is suddenly using four threads. If the driver is optimized for a true quad then this is possible, the same driver running on C2Q may be worse than a driver running on one single thread.
True quads are able to split work for much smaller tasks and gain speed.

This is also not as hard as designing the whole application for how the processor work.