hummmm ....Originally Posted by taurus_sel
read better the post from theo:
"On-die sensors are tweaked up and they will not lock the part at -100 or -20C, and you can use dry ice or LN2 to crank it up to the max."
can you read it?
by the way, with Charles, we decided to stay without mods of the CPUs.
Last edited by Drwho?; 11-28-2008 at 09:38 AM.
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Actually Theo Said:
"Yes, you’ve read it correctly – from -200 to +100, you can be certain that your Phenom will not fail. On-die sensors are tweaked up and they will not lock the part at -100 or -20C, and you can use dry ice or LN2 to crank it up to the max."
Not sure why you decided to leave out that part of the quote, but that would implie (at least to me) that it was a tweak made to the core. Not diasabled sensors...
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On die sensors control the thermal envelopes under which the cores operate. If they were/are "tweaked up/or down (as implied), then it means the cores will not shutoff at those tweaked up/down preset temps.
I think that's quite clear now. The question was more if AMD tweaked the sensors on all PII's in general or just on the few presented at the event, as Francois implies. Personally I can't see where Theo states the latter.
He doesn't. That's why I wrote the point of departure between Theo and Francois is, the former claims ALL PIIs share the same thermal properties/characteristics of the demo'ed chips; while the latter seems to claim the opposite.
I may have expressed myself wrong here, sorry. I was referring to what the article makes Francois claim.
I have to say, DrWho does not really make a lot of sense.
Nothing about what Theo said proves that AMD tweaked only the cpu's for the demo's. Nothing about what Theo said implies that the thermal control was disabled for those chips.
In fact if you read Theo's report, the sensible conclusion is that whatever allows these demo'd chips to clock so high, it's the case with all other Phenom II chips as well.
Now we really don't know what is the case, but based on the reports we have, saying AMD modified the demo cpu's, and saying you (DrWho) will also do this to prove a point, is a bit strange to put it mildly.
I understand what the sensors do... But the way I read it, it was not done just to make a chip capable of ONE extreme run, it was an overall change that will allow all chips to operate in those ranges.
So whatever changes made during the shrink allowed them to tweak the sensors to operate in the new temp ranges without failure.
Hence the "you can be certain that your Phenom will not fail" part..
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AMD apparently is using a new interface dubbed TSI, in the AM3 parts at least, that replaces the thermal diode. This could be related to that.I understand what the sensors do... But the way I read it, it was not done just to make a chip capable of ONE extreme run, it was an overall change that will allow all chips to operate in those ranges.
So whatever changes made during the shrink allowed them to tweak the sensors to operate in the new temp ranges without failure.
Hence the "you can be certain that your Phenom will not fail" part..
*edit* Looking forward to seeing records broken and good competition. I think it's direly needed. Also congrats to Fugger. Any OCers dream come true
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Yes I can read english and spell as well. And from your owns words:hummmm ....
read better the post from theo:
"On-die sensors are tweaked up and they will not lock the part at -100 or -20C, and you can use dry ice or LN2 to crank it up to the max."
by the way, with Charles, we decided to stay without mods of the CPUs.
"I am just going to be doing the same as our green buddies, dissable the thermal control, and let s see"
Again how do you know the green team is disabling anything? Clairvoyance? Guessing? Do you have the inside scoop?
Like I said, keep Theo out of this. I never read what he writes.
Come on, you know he is not going to say even if he knew the truth. I want to give him the benefit of the doubt. Even if it's speculation, sometimes you need to speculate; and for someone who is an engineer himself, I bet he knows more about the general workings of these chips than you do. How do you know for a fact that AMD has not in any way "compromised" the tested chips? And since you didn't read Theo and care not to read him, you need to back off a little, you appear too hostile.
Last edited by Zucker2k; 11-28-2008 at 10:15 AM.
You're free to give him the benefit of the doubt. You're free to do anything you like, that's your prerogative. My point is that if it's speculation, then Dr. Who should have no problem owning up to that.
Engineer? Since when is a performance analyst an ASIC engineer that understands how an unreleased competitor's chip works?
I don't know that AMD did or didn't do anyting. But I do know that someone here is likely guessing at stuff, not owning up to it and stating it as fact.
Hostility? Yeah okay. More like looking for the truth. Why does that bother some people?
Exactly my point.
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We did not even need to do so, we got to 5Ghz air cooled without problem.
I based my comment on Theo's post, if Theo is not accurate, i am not accurate.
The retails parts will tell us, if nobody gets 6Ghz with a retail CPU, we will know who's was right ...
The competition childish? well, we are on Extremesystem here, winning the race is what matters to me, with openess and Olympic spirit, if you don't like that people work hard on winning, well, don't come here, because I think it is all about this: Behind Fast and Furious
Time will tell! Take it easy, and well, 5Ghz air cool is done.
Last edited by Drwho?; 11-28-2008 at 06:21 PM.
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My money is riding with you. 5GHz on air is indeed done, and is in the history books.
I'm anxiously awaiting January timeframe.
I heard AMD 6ghz is possible on air...... lol then what?
What? Let the arms... sorry, clock race begin.
well, after Carl Lewis won for the 100 metter, did people stop running faster?
I don't understand ... I am being bad because I like competition? you got to explain this to me. Wanting to win is childish?
You guys need to take it easy, sorry, I want to win, and I spend my life making sure that I do, I do it fairly, and openly.
DrWho, The last of the time lords, setting up the Clock.
I think what you have to understand is that their are two very differnet groups here in this thread.well, after Carl Lewis won for the 100 metter, did people stop running faster?
I don't understand ... I am being bad because I like competition? you got to explain this to me. Wanting to win is childish?
You guys need to take it easy, sorry, I want to win, and I spend my life making sure that I do, I do it fairly, and openly.
The ones that want to see what can be done and then the ones that would blast you no matter if their was a halo around your head and God sitting beside you.
That is just how they are. They look to create controversery where there is none.
I've learned that those people you try to ignore as in reality their opinions mean very little.
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If you had a bunch of people in an insane asylum who had convinced themselves that AMD was their wife, would their crazy ramblings be much different to what has been seen in this thread?
Er, how long was this sustainable for? Prime stable is different from Crysis looping stable.We did not even need to do so, we got to 5Ghz air cooled without problem.
I based my comment on Theo's post, if Theo is not accurate, i am not accurate.
The retails parts will tell us, if nobody gets 6Ghz with a retail CPU, we will know who's was right ...
The competition childish? well, we are on Extremesystem here, winning the race is what matters to me, with openess and Olympic spirit, if you don't like that people work hard on winning, well, don't come here, because I think it is all about this: Behind Fast and Furious
Time will tell! Take it easy, and well, 5Ghz air cool is done.
Last edited by cegras; 11-28-2008 at 07:09 PM.
E7200 @ 3.4 ; 7870 GHz 2 GB
Intel's atom is a terrible chip.
We did not even need to do so, we got to 5Ghz air cooled without problem.
I based my comment on Theo's post, if Theo is not accurate, i am not accurate.
The retails parts will tell us, if nobody gets 6Ghz with a retail CPU, we will know who's was right ...
The competition childish? well, we are on Extremesystem here, winning the race is what matters to me, with openess and Olympic spirit, if you don't like that people work hard on winning, well, don't come here, because I think it is all about this: Behind Fast and Furious
Time will tell! Take it easy, and well, 5Ghz air cool is done.
Well it's nice to see that the man who's been running Intel since '86 takes his cues from Theo. So in truth I guess you didn't really know.
Openess and Olympic spirit eh? Let's see how open and how honest you really are. Why don't you answer these questions for us peons.
Why is everyone else killing themselves trying to get to 5 GHz with core i7 with LN2 and phase but you've done it on air?
Why is Fugger the only person to clear 5 GHz on a core i7?
Tell me where I can buy a core i7 that does 5GHz on air today?
Waiting to hear some honest answers from someone who is so open and fair. One thing is for sure, we don't know how well Phenom II will run (yet) when it's released and that's a given. But we do know in general how core i7s run based on results from this forum and no one that I've seen has gotten 5GHz on air. So yeah you might have your statistic freak and that's all good. I don't really care for that because I can't buy it.
some of those answers here.
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I don't see any answers to my questions. All I see is a desperate attempt at trying to respond to the PII news. Come on guys, it's so apparent it's not even funny.Intel is pulling Fugger's strings here. They fly over with a cherry part, they do the work and Fugger is just the formality to try and legitimize the results to make it appear that it didn't come from Intel. They could have just shipped the part to someone else and let them go to it. Why didn't they do that? The same goes for the way Intel just claims Fugger is going to do something for them without even asking first.
Yeah like this is supposed to be convincing to anyone with more brain cells than fingers.
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