Quote Originally Posted by FUGGER View Post
Damn, I didnt see this thread

News to me, Im kinda busy that week too.

Cooper, Lots of good ones deleted. slow down on the damage control.

Im on my own schedule, it was just known publicly that Intel was coming out this time and media spinning this, hopefully AMD can confirm or does anyone have a link to where they got that info?
Here guys, read the first 4 pages of this thread: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=208374

DrWHO earlier indicated he was sure AMD had disabled some features; interestingly, Informal confirmed his suspicion? by actually confirming it (imho)

Quote Originally Posted by informal View Post
You gotta stop clutching at this straw soon.
The max clock AMD achieved with Phenom 65nm is 2.6Ghz ,which is 15% short of 3Ghz.Not that much.TLB issue made them dedicate the much needed time (for speed path optimiz.) for other things like fixing the damn bug in hardware.

Like i said,you need to stop living in the past.AMD's chip can work without failing in the range from -200 to +100 degrees Celsius,as Theo said here:
http://theovalich.wordpress.com/2008...re-i7-thunder/
Quoting Theo:

AMD decided that the time has come to regain the crown in overclocking, and the company means it. You can thank all of this to several key members of former ATI Technologies, now AMD GPG. I know it is not fair to name the few, since I can’t mention them all, but guys such as Godfrey Cheng, Ian McNaughton, Korhan Eben, Macci, and many unsung heroes combined with old-school AMD executives such as Patrick Moorhead, who keeps his desktop machines OC’ed to 3.2 GHz and arguing with IT Police… All in all, this effort brought a lot of fighting spirit to AMD and these guys are now biting at all sides. First with Radeon series, then with chipsets and now with CPUs.
Phenom II is going to be extremely overclockable. How overclockable? Much.
With good air-cooler, 4.0 GHz is a given on almost every Black Edition CPU that will hit the stores starting January 8, 2009. This is nothing special, since Intel can do the same with Core i7 series. But, with water-cooling or TEC-enhanced water-cooling (hint: CoolIT), you can easily reach 4.5 GHz and beyond.
But, the real show starts when we dip below the zero degrees Celsius/Centigrade. History of AMD and sub-zero cooling is quite interesting. AMD was the first manufacturer to showcase vapor chamber and liquid oxygen cooling (yes, oxygen, not nitrogen) with Athlon 550 MHz that reached 1.03 GHz and became the first CPU to pass the 1 GHz mark. As the time went by, AMD slowly started to move away from Swashbuckler attitude lead by Jerry Sanders and put a dull corporate Motorola face lead by Hector Jesus Ruiz. All of this is past now, since AMD put substantial effort to produce a CPU which operating temperature is massive 300 degrees Celsius!
Yes, you’ve read it correctly – from -200 to +100, you can be certain that your Phenom will not fail. On-die sensors are tweaked up and they will not lock the part at -100 or -20C, and you can use dry ice or LN2 to crank it up to the max.

The max reached so far by AMD team is… 6.0 GHz! Given that most LN2 clockers use dual-core CPUs to reach 5.5+ GHz speeds, seeing 6.0 GHz CPU running applications such as Crysis is a testament to monumental effort put by AMD’s CPU and Chipset team. Don’t think this was CPU team only effort – guys from Markham worked hard on Advanced Clock Calibration, or ACC. ACC is exactly “the secret sauce” AMD needed to unlock these levels of performance.
Hitting 4.0 GHz on air, 4.5 on water, 4.5+ on TEC+water, 5.6 GHz on dry ice and there was a post at 6.0 GHz. Given the fact that dry ice is “weaker” solution than LN2, it will be really interesting to see what will happen when hard-core overclockers get their hands on these 45nm ice-cold babies.
AMD is back. And yes, Intel’s Core i7 thunder has just been stolen completely. Core i7 is a great CPU, but quite expensive platform, with three channels of DDR3. AMD Phenom II comes out with 16 GB/s of memory bandwidth using only two channels, and clocking like there’s no tomorrow.
The best part of them all is the price: AMD Phenom II 940 Black Edition will set you back for 40% of the amount you have to shell out for Core i7 Extreme 965 and yet, it comes with a radically cheaper platform of equal or even better overclocking capabilities.
And DrWHO replies:

AMD has tweaked the on-die sensor to not lock the part
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no more comments from me
So this is where the real debate lies, Theo claims every PII chip should do -200 to 100+, and Francois seems to claim that the tweaks were only applied to the bench-marked chips. Only time will tell.

On another note, Theo's comment about AMD's effort to claim the overclocking record should not be overlooked; imho it legitimizes every move Intel makes to counter than notion. So far, Intel is ahead, but like I said in another thread, they have learnt their lesson in the past and are not going to make the same mistake twice. I don't blame them if they're going after AMD, after all what was the purpose of AMD demoing the chip to the media, alonside a i965 XE?

It seems what AMD was hoping to avoid, a clockspeed war with Intel, is not going to happen. Personally, I love it; and I'm praying those PII tweaks come stock, who knows, Intel may follow suit and before you know it, we'll be getting BE (Blue Edition) Nehalems with unlocked multis (dreaming).