PCPER.com: 5 GHZ+ Phenom II Overclock on Dry Ice, 6Ghz on LN2

[N19h7m4r3]

Oooh, they have good prices, I wonder if they'll end up with a decently priced Rampage 2 Extreme

[cegras]

Is there such a thread as an "AMD THREAD" or "INTEL THREAD"? I guess some people have formed demarcated XS into AMD/INTEL This is a PC forum, and this is the news section, doesn't even matter if it's the AMD section, a member has every right to post where they want if they have a valid contribution to make. People just need to be less sensitive, that's all.

No. My issue was that this is a consumer forum and here we have an intel employee (and it doesn't matter, really, whether he is here 'on his own' or on behalf of the company) who is forming opinions with more weight about a test that no one here really knows about.

It's the same thing as a news post for EVGA, saying, for example, 'New X58 SLI motherboard!' and then having an XFX representative come into the thread and say "That's nothing, really. It's crap. Now we've got something in the works .."

Furthermore, he indulges in a bit of hypocrisy after noting that 'let's have the green guys have their own fun guys, let's be good sports,' and then posts again, starting off with 'I don't like organizing freak tests but just to prove intel is better I'm going to take a supposedly incredibly low bin chip and oc it past 6 ghz (assumed successful). Ha, in your face, AMD!'

[Solus Corvus]

"That's nothing, really. It's crap. Now we've got something in the works .."

Drwho? didn't say PHII is crap. Frankly I thought he was a good sport about it all besides being a bit of an attentionwhore.

[Rammsteiner]

Will AMD have a non nvidia chip that supports SLI and Crossfire???

Well, if you're pointing on X58 boards, nor do they? If you didnt mean X58, Im interested what chipset you're talking about though.

[G0ldBr1ck]

I would like to see that i7 OC but realy this isnt the thread for it. If we are here to talk about PH2 and we are all impressed with this news, its a bit rude to try and steal the thunder with a CPU that we allready know is a top of the line performer. A new thread might be a better idea.

Is there anyone here at XS that will be getting there hands on a Phenom II ES anytime soon?

[cegras]

Drwho? didn't say PHII is crap. Frankly I thought he was a good sport about it all besides being a bit of an attentionwhore. (as an intel employee in an AMD thread)

I don't think those two go together.

[T_Flight]

It is a sensationalized press frenzy. That's *all* it is.

How mnay people are gonna have one of these things running at 6+GHz? Even if they get a chip that could do it. Maybe a 1000 people around the world tops? There aren't that mnay that are even capable of doing that. It takes an Xtreme OC'er that has the knowledge to do that.

These things *might* get to 4GHz on air. That's what people are looking for, not publicity stunts.

DrWho was just showing that it can be done with either brand. If you take a CPU and pull all the stops, and you have a Knowledgeable OC'er that's has the experience to do this it can be done.

Oh he'll do it. I'm glad he's doing it too.

[Rammsteiner]

It is a sensationalized press frenzy. That's *all* it is.

How mnay people are gonna have one of these things running at 6+GHz? Even if they get a chip that could do it. Maybe a 1000 people around the world tops? There aren't that mnay that are even capable of doing that. It takes an Xtreme OC'er that has the knowledge to do that.

These things *might* get to 4GHz on air. That's what people are looking for, not publicity stunts.

DrWho was just showing that it can be done with either brand. If you take a CPU and pull all the stops, and you have a Knowledgeable OC'er that's has the experience to do this it can be done.

Oh he'll do it. I'm glad he's doing it too.

You do have a few points, but of the things you're making a point about it's a bit weird since 4Ghz ain't an average for Intel on air neither. And Im pretty sure Phenom II hits 4Ghz, on average. No one said however they'll just hit 4Ghz

And yes, this LN2 is all about advertizing. But in a good way though, how long ago was it AMD had a good LN2 run in the first place? In the end certain forum area's here are thrown full with LN2 and DiCe results on skt 775, which are just as useless, no? Apparently there's a quite respectable group who actually do not see this as useless. And IMO, it isn't. I do not care a lot about LN2, but there are some very nice records being set there. From a technology pov I do think it's very impressive. But I, you and those OC'ers know that LN2 isnt going to let your system run 24/7 or anything near that and from there, the durability pov, it is indeed not very usefull. But useless, no.

And no, of course this is no guarantee that all Phenom II's will hit 6.3Ghz on LN2. Im sure there's a slight margin not even hitting 3.7Ghz. But we had that with C2Q as well. Every respected OC'er knows the term YMMV. And that's, to comment short but solid on DrWho?'s posts, why I think 1) he's doing the exact same thing the 'blue team' has been calling the 'green team' of doing, being fanboy and 2) I think it's way too arrogant to say 'Ill do 7Ghz on i7'. That's just wrong in anyway, and IMO you lose the use and fun of OC'ing out of sight if you comment like that on a 6.3Ghz by 'the opponent'.

[dinos22]

He was the first person to ever get one I think.
If Macci is hitting those kinds of clocks on LN2 with Dragon Evo...wonder what he would do with a F1 extreme...Sami PM me your info again, time for an upgrade
Looks like AMD is back in the LN2 game after all this time. Pretty cool
Nehalem kind of sucks for extreme overclocking on LN2 to be honest. The LN2 party since dothan had to end some time I guess lol.

ho ho ho.....what are you trying to do....allow AMD to hit 7 GHz mate

The only downside I see here, is the amount of LN2 we will have to spend running the CPU at -190C all day long

Nice to see that AMD is back in business. Now where is my AM2 board again? After CES things should get interesting again =) Finally a change in the benching scene. Benching C2Ds all the time is a little boring and Nehalem is not exactly much fun under LN2 as of right now =/

Fingers crossed, AMD is right and that CPU is not cherry picked or special in any form.

the beauty of using F1EE is that it is use FAR less LN2 than any other pot out there so to maintain and be at those temps this is THE pot to use...............really glad KP will hook up macci

I ll try with and without couple of diodes too ;-)
Get ready for a trauma ...

why not just rip them off for good.....if a couple of diodes are making Nehalem run like a dog on LN2 get rid of them i say

I usually do not organize what I call "freak of nature" demo, what I mean by this is that I am always very careful to use statistically representative parts to avoid misleading anybody.

This time, I got a Saturday FedEx delivery ...

http://www.v12extreme.com/post/IMG_6158.JPG

This is from my Buddies Milke M and Mike H (thanks for going the extra miles), this is a freak of statistic, this part is not in the middle distribution of the curve, it actually leak some serious current ... but it does OC, really, like hell.
6Ghz, i know i can do it already, let s see what is the next Digit , and to make sure everything is fair, I ll be joining a master of OC, he knows better than I do about LN2

I am just going to be doing the same as our green buddies, dissable the thermal control, and let s see

I ll drop the result here before thanks giving week end!

so this CPU will never actually be a retail product you would sell publically???

Make sure the oc master is a member of this community or it won't do you much good

Why don't you fly to vegas and ask FUGGER himself to bench it with you on ln2. And make sure to videotape it

I want vid's or it didn't happen

it's going to be Charles dude lol

Every body take it easy ... The Demo is coming, and the Phenoms II will be in store soon ...
And for the demo, we will do on CAM, with and without tricks, I need the community to understand that Manufacturer demo is kind of not appropriate for OC, it is why i always let Charles and Co to do it.
So, we will know soon.

you are operating on assumption that AMD cheated by turning off a few parts of the chip and running those demos and telling ppl they are normal run of the mill CPUs. what if you are wrong? Will Intel look like an arse trying to do something AMD didnt do....maybe it's a bad idea to do this sort of demo i donno Francois.

if you say that Intel has always tried to have a representative CPU you should stick to that. Long term it's a smarter attitude to have. You should let XS users smell a rat rather than you try to show us imo. We're are pretty good at it too you know and consequences will be bad for AMD as they will be if Intel starts playing trickery with people.........

what is the point of showing us a 6GHz or even 7GHz nehalem when average benching stable clocks on nehalem subzero are below 5GHz atm, even below 4.8GHz most likely. You are only going to exacerbate people's dissatisfaction with spending crazy amounts of money only to get CPUs that run like dogs on LN2 ..........

what we really need now is for you guys to sit down and fix cold bug problems and release retail chips........so that we can all reach monster clocks without temps affecting the OCs. Shamino thinks that there is a high vcore cold bug on these CPUs...He's very experienced and would have tested a fair few CPUs to form an opinion like that. Time to get ot work and make us ALL happy heheheh

Don't worry, F1 EE will be used very soon, date is already set

[GAR]

Well, if you're pointing on X58 boards, nor do they? If you didnt mean X58, Im interested what chipset you're talking about though.

I mean as in a chipset for the Phenom II's that will support both crossfire and sli.

[Helmore]

Will AMD have a non nvidia chip that supports SLI and Crossfire??? I doubt it, that could be the difference maker for many enthusiasts, i believe performance has to be strong and compete with core i7, a core i7 920 costs only $284 msrp, which it will go down to that price by the time AMD is out, overclocks to 3.8ghz with out a problem, most chips do, if amd releases the 3ghz part at $175 and overclocks to 4.4ghz on air and is on par with the core i7 at 3.8ghz i can see AMD having a real winner in their hands, BUT that depends on weather the performance gap is small and price is big, $100 under 920 and a overclocking monster, i see many people buying AMD instead, for the simple fact that motherboards cost alot less.

That pretty much only depends on NVIDIA, they will have to allow SLI on other chip sets beside their own or certified by them. Do we have any non-NVIDIA socket 775 chip sets that support SLI? I guess not. Socket 775 will be where the competition is for AMD, Core i7 is a step to far to reach for AMD at the moment.

[dinos22]

yup that is a huge deal now
if AMD doesnt support SLI on their chipsets they will shoot themselves in the foot big time

That pretty much only depends on NVIDIA, they will have to allow SLI on other chip sets beside their own or certified by them. Do we have any non-NVIDIA socket 775 chip sets that support SLI? I guess not. Socket 775 will be where the competition is for AMD, Core i7 is a step to far to reach for AMD at the moment.

AMD will just have to pay for the license....and it will make end user boards a bit more expensive

[Morgoth Bauglir]

yup that is a huge deal now
if AMD doesnt support SLI on their chipsets they will shoot themselves in the foot big time

It's not up to AMD. Intel extracted SLI support from nVidia because they had significant leverage...AMD has no such leverage, for the time being.

[Helmore]

yup that is a huge deal now
if AMD doesnt support SLI on their chipsets they will shoot themselves in the foot big time

There is nothing in AMD's chipsets that prohibits SLI support, it's NVIDIA's drivers that check for compatibility and they will certified or NVIDIA boards.

[ownage]

yup that is a huge deal now
if AMD doesnt support SLI on their chipsets they will shoot themselves in the foot big time

I don't see why SLI support is that important. Lots f people bought intel chipsets that didn't support SLI. Most people, even at XS don't buy multi GPU solutions, and when they will do, there's always Crossfire.
SLI support would only be a great extra.

[Calmatory]

It is a sensationalized press frenzy. That's *all* it is.

How mnay people are gonna have one of these things running at 6+GHz? Even if they get a chip that could do it. Maybe a 1000 people around the world tops? There aren't that mnay that are even capable of doing that. It takes an Xtreme OC'er that has the knowledge to do that.

These things *might* get to 4GHz on air. That's what people are looking for, not publicity stunts.

DrWho was just showing that it can be done with either brand. If you take a CPU and pull all the stops, and you have a Knowledgeable OC'er that's has the experience to do this it can be done.

Oh he'll do it. I'm glad he's doing it too.

Talks about Crysis @ +6 GHz. Show me any Intel QC doing +6GHz CPU-Z apart from dozen or so QX9770's. Besides, it was "just" 1,9 V. AMD's 45nm should take voltage better than Intel's 45nm, so that 2,1-2,2 V should possibly be no problem with better pot like F1 EE. Also this is the retail revision of their 45nm, future revisions shall show nice improvements, if there is anything to improve other than yields.

There has been pics of supposedly air cooled CPU-Z pics of 4GHz Deneb since the summer, C1 revision while the retail will be C2 afaik.

[Marvin_The_Martian]

it's going to be Charles dude lol

I know he told me minutes later

I agree btw on the not accusing as well, think it more classy to just show us lol

[herderien]

maybe you can clock a 32 nm P4 to 7 Ghz, would you buy a 7Ghz capable P4 ? i wouldn't.
i'm not saying that phenomII is crap, i understand AMD's point to show that now, their chips have room to OC, i know they are capable of suprising people as they did with the 4850.
but for now we have NO numbers, it's promising, interesting for the market, but we don't know what thos chips are capable of, it could be twice the power of an i7 of 100€ less but we don't know yet...let's wait for numbers and platform price ...then we consumer will decide ^^

ps : i'll be quite disapointed if its soooooo sheap and powerfull as i already ordered my i7

[Calmatory]

Well, just take numbers from 3 GHz Agena and multiply by 2.

[dinos22]

Talks about Crysis @ +6 GHz. Show me any Intel QC doing +6GHz CPU-Z apart from dozen or so QX9770's. Besides, it was "just" 1,9 V. AMD's 45nm should take voltage better than Intel's 45nm, so that 2,1-2,2 V should possibly be no problem with better pot like F1 EE. Also this is the retail revision of their 45nm, future revisions shall show nice improvements, if there is anything to improve other than yields.

There has been pics of supposedly air cooled CPU-Z pics of 4GHz Deneb since the summer, C1 revision while the retail will be C2 afaik.

crysis at 6GHz+

lol

who said that

[ownage]

crysis at 6GHz+

lol

who said that

I even heard they did run Crysis @ 6.3ghz. The story gets more crazier every day lol
What we need now is screenshots. Without screenshots stories get corrupted.

[Sly Fox]

crysis at 6GHz+

lol

who said that

Not 100% sure if this is what he's referencing too, but earlier in the thread it was mentioned that at the AMD event the systems were shown looping Crysis to display stability.

[Marvin_The_Martian]

I want videos not screenshots lol..

I treid blowing up taskman in the pics posted but I need atleast tripple the resolution to be able to make anything from it.

[strange|ife]

Gooo Amd

[Helmore]

Not 100% sure if this is what he's referencing too, but earlier in the thread it was mentioned that at the AMD event the systems were shown looping Crysis to display stability.

They used Crysis to display stability, that part is right, but they did not do so on the LN2 run and that was pretty much a suicide shot. That's probably one of the reasons why they made the press withdraw their claims of 6,3 GHz. as that was pretty much a suicide run.

@herderien: You will always be disappointed with your hardware after a certain period . I don't think you will regret your investment, I think Phenom II will mainly be an interesting extra choice to choose from, which is all AMD needs and can deliver. Being really competitive with Intel will make Intel lower its prices and AMD needs the all the profit they can get. Still, I think I'm getting myself a nice Phenom II rig next year. IPC of Phenom II will most likely still be lower on Phenom II than on Core i7 and having an AM2+ platform is not very future proof either (AM3 will be and LGA 1366 of course).