Koolance CPU-350 Pictures!

[luxbel]

aspire, so, under that idea, DD copied D-tek for using tall cylindrical pins? How about OCZ, that uses pins, but triangle shaped? There is a design limit around bottoms - looks/tops are totally a different discussion. All companies out there are trying to cool the exact same component, whose thermal profile doesn't change all that much. evil said it best: it's all based on the same idea - you can only design a bottom differently so many times before you start seeing reiterations of the same design pattern.

[aspire.comptech]

aspire, so, under that idea, DD copied D-tek for using tall cylindrical pins? How about OCZ, that uses pins, but triangle shaped? There is a design limit around bottoms - looks/tops are totally a different discussion. All companies out there are trying to cool the exact same component, whose thermal profile doesn't change all that much. evil said it best: it's all based on the same idea - you can only design a bottom differently so many times before you start seeing reiterations of the same design pattern.

Did I say Danger Den didn't copy D-tek?
Or vis a versa can't remember which one came first.

The OCZ block IS essentially a copy of the GTX but came after the GTX became old news and for a much lower price.

Regardless of the fact that they are all cooling the same thing, as I've already said, if the top 3 cpu blocks can all manage to be completely different, then I think others can as well.

[Utnorris]

Did I say Danger Den didn't copy D-tek?
Or vis a versa can't remember which one came first.

The OCZ block IS essentially a copy of the GTX but came after the GTX became old news and for a much lower price.

Regardless of the fact that they are all cooling the same thing, as I've already said, if the top 3 cpu blocks can all manage to be completely different, then I think others can as well.

Well, I seem to remember when the GTZ came out many said it was very close to the design of the D-Tek V2. I will give you that the Supreme is unique with the razor blade like design to force water onto the block, but it has been around for over a year. Again, you can only design a block so many ways and to say that Koolance isn't innovative is bashing and wrong on so many levels. I have owned the D-Tek v1, the Supreme, the Apogee GT and the Enzotech Sapphire and other than the Supreme they all had similarities but I never came to the conclusion one ripped off the other or that they were not innovative. It is very rude to comment in this way when a manufacture comes and posts their product here and you haven't even had one in hand. Buy one, along with the D-Tek v2 or GTZ and post a thread showing where they are similar in design and make your accusations then. Until then, bite your tongue and be glad that manufactures actually post here letting us know about new products before most sites can even post the release notes.

Dean, again, glad to see Koolance bringing new options to the market, keep it up.

[Kayin]

Bro, until you've attempted block design, please don't say it's just that easy.

I expect to see a lot of the same. There might be some interesting ones (Ybris ACS, G4/G5/G7) but mostly you can only manipulate water in so many ways. Even the interesting ones bring their own limitations.

In this circumstance, it looks like they EPDMed the base, and then added a nozzle rather than letting it flow corner to corner. That's an innovation. It angles flow right where the heat is, and then channels it out-much like a Fuzion. Very efficient design from here, though I wanna see how it tips up. I think I might want a block like that if it performs like it looks like it will.

Unless we move to casting or more exotic materials, this is how waterblocks will tend to look, I'm afraid. Not that I have an issue with it. Once I learned my math, I realized just how little we could do to some of these designs...

Not to say I've given up, I'm just trying to learn to machine well enough to do it all myself...

[NaeKuh]

WOW.... you guys are seriously sad.. another reason why i stopped posting... Just cuz its koolance they copied?

Copy? Okey, have you guys ever made a waterblock? Do you guys even understand all the principles involved in a waterblock? Do you know why a block is shaped as so? why it has channels like so? why the fins are angled like so?

If you do, you wont say its a copy. Theres only a set way you can make a block. If you think you can do better, THEN MAKE ONE.

Hell i did [Bei Fei made it real also].

You wanna say copy?
Single NB/SB = MY DESIGN. <-- ask Iandh. I even passed it out on the entire forum i had something cooking.
Single Mosfet Block = My design <-- bei fei already made on for the 790i. Not possible? How come i pulled it off?
Pin Matrix designs date WAYYY BACK b4 D-tek was even around.
FC blocks = DangerDen innovation...

Need i go on?

So copy? no if anything koolance is setting a NEW standard on XS with dean.
So if you dont have anything nice to say GTFO of this thread unless you can comment on performance.

[vservera]

very nice bock, Koolance is awsome

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

WOW.... you guys are seriously sad.. another reason why i stopped posting... Just cuz its koolance they copied?

Copy? Okey, have you guys ever made a waterblock? Do you guys even understand all the principles involved in a waterblock? Do you know why a block is shaped as so? why it has channels like so? why the fins are angled like so?

If you do, you wont say its a copy. Theres only a set way you can make a block. If you think you can do better, THEN MAKE ONE.

Hell i did [Bei Fei made it real also].

You wanna say copy?
Single NB/SB = MY DESIGN. <-- ask Iandh. I even passed it out on the entire forum i had something cooking.
Single Mosfet Block = My design <-- bei fei already made on for the 790i. Not possible? How come i pulled it off?
Pin Matrix designs date WAYYY BACK b4 D-tek was even around.
FC blocks = DangerDen innovation...

Need i go on?

So copy? no if anything koolance is setting a NEW standard on XS with dean.
So if you dont have anything nice to say GTFO of this thread unless you can comment on performance.

you dont seem to understand that its not just cuz its koolance, its the EXACT SAME design. mind you I am in no way mad or offended that koolance did this but you cannot deny that this is a simplified carbon copy of the Swiftech GTZ.

the GTZ does not have corner to corner flow, it uses a center inlet just like this block, it uses the same pin grin as this block and it has a bowed base just like this block, the only difference is in the top design and outer design.....

[NaeKuh]

you dont seem to understand that its not just cuz its koolance, its the EXACT SAME design.

exact means same pin area, same matrix using same design.
How can you tell its the exact same without looking at one thats unlided?
Snipe, i do understand, and it makes me sad, that we cant look at straight numbers anymore.

We always need to call wolf. Can we wait for numbers b4 we shout wolf?

the GTZ does not have corner to corner flow, it uses a center inlet just like this block, it uses the same pin grin as this block and it has a bowed base just like this block, the only difference is in the top design and outer design.....

Once again do you have some secret pictures DEAN doesnt even have? How are you calling the internals without a clear picture of it?
If the middle square matrix is even 1mm longer or shorter, then you carbon copy explaination is toss'd right out the door.

[DeanB]

If you take a look at Martin's site you'll see that the flow is corner to corner.


Also the GTZ is not the first block to use the micro-grid, there were multiple blocks before it that used the same mini-grid structure, such as the Thermalright XWB-1 (released 9/21/07 also reviewed by martin here)

The CPU-350 enters the center, and flows out to the edges in a radial pattern. You will understand when I have internal pictures available next week .

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

If you take a look at Martin's site you'll see that the flow is corner to corner.

Also the GTZ is not the first block to use the micro-grid, there were multiple blocks before it that used the same mini-grid structure, such as the Thermalright XWB-1 (released 9/21/08 also reviewed by martin here)

touche, I thought that plate forced flow to the middle, but in reality I was thinking of a solidworks model I made of a modified Supreme

[NaeKuh]

touche, I thought that plate forced flow to the middle, but in reality I was thinking of a solidworks model I made of a modified Supreme

wait for my samples. Dean said he would send me 2 for my gainestown build.

Dont worry you know the first thing i do is take the block apart and snap every internal at it.

[Bun-Bun]

If you take a look at Martin's site you'll see that the flow is corner to corner.


Also the GTZ is not the first block to use the micro-grid, there were multiple blocks before it that used the same mini-grid structure, such as the Thermalright XWB-1 (released 9/21/08 also reviewed by martin here)

The CPU-350 enters the center, and flows out to the edges in a radial pattern. You will understand when I have internal pictures available next week .

Nice save

And seriously what is with people accusing companies of copy one another and what not? A lot goes on behind the scenes that we are generally not aware nor should we be. Lets leave all that BS to the patent lawyers and enjoy the competition and price wars and better performance!

Seriously... I'd rather have this then everyone owning a Storm G2 and looking the same as the next guy...

[DeanB]

Well I got an internal pictures early... call it an early thanksgiving leak



Hopefully this explains it for you!

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

Well I got an internal pictures early... call it an early thanksgiving leak

Hopefully this explains it for you!

I have to say the the machining quality looks superb! much better than the GTZ's uneven pins

[Utnorris]

Also, on the GTZ, the outside channels on the block go side to side, where as these go from out to in. Little differences, yes, but still different. I am going say it again, you can only design a water block so many ways.

[Kayin]

Can you comment if that's EPDM or slotting saw?

[Boogerlad]

what is the side length of those square pins? looks interesting =) I wouldn't say it's a copy of the gtz. what does epdm stand for?

[Kayin]

Meant EDM, it's a method of cutting that can make the supreme seem like it's 1" fins.

[skinnee]

wait for my samples. Dean said he would send me 2 for my gainestown build.

Dont worry you know the first thing i do is take the block apart and snap every internal at it.

You need to take a digital photography class as soon as possible too.

[_G_]

is the top 100% cast? (meaning all the threads where formed in the casting process and nothing was cut in the finished product)
this would be a big plus in reducing the posibility of stress cracks.

[evil-98]

hey nice i like the block alot

[NaeKuh]

dean can you talk to the boys in RnD for nozzles like the d-tek fusion we can insert at the core impact plate to tweek pressure and get more performance?

guys like tweekability, and people who run cpu only loops would love the chance to tweek a bit more performance out of the block.

[Hondacity]

ei Dean

i got a couple of blocks to compare that with...i can do some testing

ek supreme vs dtek fusion v2 vs the koolance 350...how does that sound?

[migueld]

WOOOOOWW, it's openable! Most if not all Koolance blocks have been typically sealed. They've listened again

At this point the only thing I may not like is the pressure drop, but everything else looks great

[DeanB]

dean can you talk to the boys in RnD for nozzles like the d-tek fusion we can insert at the core impact plate to tweek pressure and get more performance?

guys like tweekability, and people who run cpu only loops would love the chance to tweek a bit more performance out of the block.

Well, we did try a large variety of different hole patterns and sizes and the one on the block ends up having the best temperature, anything smaller will just add pressure without any drop in temp. But I did mention it and they aren't against looking at it.

ei Dean

i got a couple of blocks to compare that with...i can do some testing

ek supreme vs dtek fusion v2 vs the koolance 350...how does that sound?

Sounds awesome, i look forward to seeing the results! If you guys pull up the same numbers we have, i think you'll be impressed