Official Phenom II 4.0+ Chart

[PetNorth]

Lol

[possessed]

has for the HKMG looking at this slide it looks like they intend to use for low power chips instead of high performance ones, like said they would be used for phenom fx



the full AMD Financial Analyst Day 2008 here

[PhxProvost]

I'm still one upgrade away from being a Dragon.

[gOtVoltage]

Where's Bruce Lee when you need em.....

I think a double dragon is in need ,,Hmmm clock two at the same time with fourcards

[Helmore]

has for the HKMG looking at this slide it looks like they intend to use for low power chips instead of high performance ones, like said they would be used for phenom fx

the full AMD Financial Analyst Day 2008 here

Give me one reason why they would only use the process for their FX chip, if there even will be one? If they are working on implementing High-K/Metal gates on their 45 nm. process node, then they are better off to use it for their entire chip lineup. It should give them higher yields if everything goes as it should be.

That slide has pretty much no information about this 'refresh' though, which doesn't bode well. I think they will implement High-K/metal gates on their 32 nm. SOI-HP process, instead of doing a revision of their 45 nm. process.

[Oliverda]

Give me one reason why they would only use the process for their FX chip, if there even will be one? If they are working on implementing High-K/Metal gates on their 45 nm. process node, then they are better off to use it for their entire chip lineup. It should give them higher yields if everything goes as it should be.

That slide has pretty much no information about this 'refresh' though, which doesn't bode well. I think they will implement High-K/metal gates on their 32 nm. SOI-HP process, instead of doing a revision of their 45 nm. process.

AMD said that theirs current 45nm SOI based transistors have less electrical leakage than Intel's HKMG ones. I'm not sure at all that the AMD is going to use the HKMG on 45nm. The reason is simple: it's not necessary.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...oc.aspx?i=3457

[Throwed]

AMD said that theirs current 45nm SOI based transistors have less electrical leakage than Intel's HKMG ones. I'm not sure at all that the AMD is going to use the HKMG on 45nm. The reason is simple: it's not necessary.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...oc.aspx?i=3457

Agreed......What I find interesting is their upcoming 32nm with HKMG. Defo a step up in the right direction looking at how well the 45nm is doing without the technology.

[Sparky]

AMD said that theirs current 45nm SOI based transistors have less electrical leakage than Intel's HKMG ones. I'm not sure at all that the AMD is going to use the HKMG on 45nm. The reason is simple: it's not necessary.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...oc.aspx?i=3457

I look at this, then look at all the guys who said that SOI totally sucks and is crap and bulk/HKMG is the only way to go and AMD is stupid for using it blah blah blah..... And I say, "owned."

SOI apparently just needed some more work

[biohead]

even my physics professor was dumbfounded when i told him AMD was still using SOI at 45nm. NOT POSSIBLE NEED TEH HKMG. noob.

[informal]

even my physics professor was dumbfounded when i told him AMD was still using SOI at 45nm. NOT POSSIBLE NEED TEH HKMG. noob.

Hehe you made me laugh hard .

[demonkevy666]

http://www.xtremesystems.org/Forums/...d.php?t=207966

link in thread here they did a little tweaking of transistor design on SOI at 45nm and they strained at 45nm.

kinda similar as to what a redesign of shaders where for the 4000 series. expect this was transistors and not shaders.

[Sparky]

even my physics professor was dumbfounded when i told him AMD was still using SOI at 45nm. NOT POSSIBLE NEED TEH HKMG. noob.

that's siggable for sure

[HondaGuy]

Is it Jan 8th Yet???? I cant wait no longer I need to upgrade,,,,,lol
Yes I still have a Socket A working to date..........

[Glow9]

Hey ppl when are the Denebs sposed to be out again or has the date been pushed?

[Sparky]

look one post above yours....

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darn you 70 second rule lol

[Rammsteiner]

even my physics professor was dumbfounded when i told him AMD was still using SOI at 45nm. NOT POSSIBLE NEED TEH HKMG. noob.

Oh, that reminds me of my maths teacher. First I thought he was cool, listened to metal, played games etc. Untill once he caught a discussion between me and a friend what PC I was going to buy. He was seriously anti-AMD, while that was in the Prescott days and he denied every part of Prescott being a retarded error and he was pro-Ati. He couldnt give one single reason not to get an nVidia card, nor could he back up his denial for the certain failure Prescott was...

Most funny part now, AMD owns ATI pretty much. Already left school when that happened, Im wondering what he thought about that lol.

Anyhow, point being that a lot of teachers are quite arrogant and think they know it all. I think I know a lot, but Im open for other suggestions and such. If some suggestion proofs me wrong or whatever, I'd say so. Although this teacher never got me turn my mind. And oh yes, he was also 34, living with his parents and complaining about how bad it is to be a teacher

[Sparky]

Nothing wrong with being pro-ati, I am Although I do know the strengths of nvidia cards too and have no problem saying they are faster when they are. I forget what the top cards from both sides were during the prescott days.