The FX concept seems dead. And it still is for the 45nm. Hence the reason there is a BE.
The 940 BE is the top CPU in january. The 945 BE will follow later and be the top CPU until Q4 or longer.
The FX concept seems dead. And it still is for the 45nm. Hence the reason there is a BE.
The 940 BE is the top CPU in january. The 945 BE will follow later and be the top CPU until Q4 or longer.
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How do you know 945 BE is going to be top until Q4? Did I miss a chart, I didn't see any BE for AM3Originally Posted by Shintai
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Me neither, could you please enlighten me Shintai?How do you know 945 BE is going to be top until Q4? Did I miss a chart, I didn't see any BE for AM3
I sure hope they won't kill the BE concept, but they probably wont unless they have the better performing CPUs and I don't see that happening for quite a while.
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How do you know 945 BE is going to be top until Q4? Did I miss a chart, I didn't see any BE for AM3
There. 945 on top until Q3 '09 at least.
Rest of those "leaked" slides are here:
Odd... no X2 3Q09? That doesn't seem to make sense.
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That would be the slide with the proposed x2 chips for the next year.
btw, I just noticed, what's an athlon x2 5800 and 5400?
The athlon x2 brand is going to get sooo confusing.
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Ah ok. So, according to those, it looks like no Deneb/Propus based dual cores, and an ever-decreasing number of available K8 dual cores, all using DDR2? I thought it would make more sense to convert over to deneb/propus based dual cores and get everything on the same memory type and socket instead of being split between two types
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Things are going to get confusing... And what are they going to do with so many SKUs? Look at Q2. 28 SKUs? If the P2-940 is going to retail at around the $300 mark, that's a heck of a lot of cpus to put between $0 and $300, almost one for every 10$ :s
Thankfully at least there will be no AM3 boards until Q4 '08/H1 '09. I guess they will phase out good ol' K8 by then, so that there's no question of anyone trying to plug a K8 into an AM3 board.
edit : Actually it probably is $10/cpu, since I can't imagine a cpu selling for lower than 20-30$
Of course, maybe amd has an ace up it's sleeve and the performance of the P2-940 may propel it into higher territory.
Maybe if Deneb turns out to be great enough, we'll get motherboard makers paying more attention to the design of AM3 boards
I tend to believe that AMD cannot afford to sell a overpriced CPU in there current shape and by overpriced I mean the price tag's that FX flavors always had. If they were to use the FX branding on a less than $300 CPU it would damage the FX name for future implementations.
And still Im wondering what FX will be about
just my guess
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FX priced cheaply could make it more popular.I tend to believe that AMD cannot afford to sell a overpriced CPU in there current shape and by overpriced I mean the price tag's that FX flavors always had. If they were to use the FX branding on a less than $300 CPU it would damage the FX name for future implementations.
just my guess
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i7 Priced more cheaply could make it more popular as well
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True, yes, but hasn't there always been a premium on the fastest?
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If you think about it in the long run, there is room for a Deneb at 3,4 GHz out of the box. After that, there is no more names in the 9XX series.
P2 945 = 3GHz
P2 965 = 3,2GHz
P2 985 = 3,4GHz
May be everything else that is higher than 3,4 will be FX? That is if there will be anythig to come out clocked above 3,4.
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well 995 could be 3.6 Ghz
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It seems that gap between 920 and 940 is 20, only because they need both room for AM2+ and AM3 versions and possibility to introduce 2.9Ghz model between them in future.
Actually they have 10 for 200MHz (look lower clocked models for example). So there is room for up to 3.9GHz (they skip 950 for 3.1 Ghz, after that 960 for 3.2 Ghz - 995 for 3.9 Ghz).
And if AMD will be able to push Phenom II to 4Ghz stock, that proc deserves FX name.
If the 45nm K10 can really hit 4ghz, a 995 @ 3.6ghz and then maybe an FX model at 3.8ghz would max it out. When 32nm comes they'll name it Phenom III. So it could work out.
lol at everyone dreaming about 3,6ghz stock for a quadcore. This never gona happen on 45nm, maybe on 32nm.
Even Intels highest bin on 45nm for a quad is 3,4ghz with 150W TDP on a HKMG 45nm process.
And thats a server processor... for consumers that binning would be north of 160W.
Oh he is rightlol at everyone dreaming about 3,6ghz stock for a quadcore. This never gona happen on 45nm, maybe on 32nm.
Even Intels highest bin on 45nm for a quad is 3,4ghz with 150W TDP on a HKMG 45nm process.
And thats a server processor... for consumers that binning would be north of 160W.
I hope that new amd quadcores can at least, hit @ 4GHz, that would be a great start for AMD
And 999 can be 4,0GHz. Yep, that sounds good.well 995 could be 3.6 Ghz
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Hey we can dream right?lol at everyone dreaming about 3,6ghz stock for a quadcore. This never gona happen on 45nm, maybe on 32nm.
Even Intels highest bin on 45nm for a quad is 3,4ghz with 150W TDP on a HKMG 45nm process.
And thats a server processor... for consumers that binning would be north of 160W.
And if I am remembering that article correctly, AMD's new 45nm SOI is pretty darn good, nearly as good as intel's HKMG 45nm process. Or maybe I'm not quite remembering the article right, but either way it is really good. And tbh, saying since intel's fastest is x chip at y speed doesn't neccessarily mean AMD's fastest couldn't be faster. Typically intel's CPUs have had higher clocks but that can always change. I'm not saying it will, just saying it is possible.
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But its also 125W at 3Ghz and servers stopped at 2.7Ghz with 105W TDP or so.Hey we can dream right?
And if I am remembering that article correctly, AMD's new 45nm SOI is pretty darn good, nearly as good as intel's HKMG 45nm process. Or maybe I'm not quite remembering the article right, but either way it is really good. And tbh, saying since intel's fastest is x chip at y speed doesn't neccessarily mean AMD's fastest couldn't be faster. Typically intel's CPUs have had higher clocks but that can always change. I'm not saying it will, just saying it is possible.
I wouldnt expect high clocks as stock anyday soon. Not even with 32nm.
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You mean the EEtimes article where it states that amds (ibms) 45nm has a 62% lower pmos driver current(660 vs 1070 µA/µm) then intels 45nm? (higher is better btw.)Hey we can dream right?
And if I am remembering that article correctly, AMD's new 45nm SOI is pretty darn good, nearly as good as intel's HKMG 45nm process. Or maybe I'm not quite remembering the article right, but either way it is really good. And tbh, saying since intel's fastest is x chip at y speed doesn't neccessarily mean AMD's fastest couldn't be faster. Typically intel's CPUs have had higher clocks but that can always change. I'm not saying it will, just saying it is possible.
Amd/ibm has a long way to catch intel on transistor performance. But transistor performance alone means nothing when the design cant keep up.
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